They will find jobs, after all unlike Souoth Carolina, people in Connecticut get decent educations. Moreover they dont have Hollywood Finocchio senators like Lindsay Graham

No wonder the South wanted to leave...
DT your talking like a true CT SNOB!
Your eyes are looking awful brown there...

i love south carolina, great food, great people and great natural resources! clemson is a fun, safe and exiting collage town. myrtle beach is a great time for the whole family! charleston is so rich in history that it will make your head spin! amazing fishing, both salt and freshwater throughout the state!

more on topic besides the usual silly stereotypes throw out by people who are still angry that they didn't get their way, the hypocrisy of this current administration is beyond mind blowing to anyone with any objectivity whatsoever. this administration is so full of holes that we should start referring to them as swiss cheese!

much like the "save the children rhetoric", while at the same time feeling free to suck thousands of children into vacuum cleaners each week, our bright leaders have given countless amounts of high grade military hardware to groups who have openly stated their hatred for america on top of the obvious terrorist ties. all this while they tried, and much like anything else they attempt, failed miserably at any federal gun control legislation. let me get this strait, limit gun ownership for law abiding citizens, while at the same time shipping much more powerful hardware to anti-western radicals in a hostile region? fucking brilliant, must have been the brain child of old "shoot first ask questions later", "double barrel" biden!

after years of painstaking research backed up by recent events, i've finally figured these guys out!


we are not coming for your guns = we are coming for your guns.

we are not listening to your phone calls =we are listening to your phone calls.

i was unaware of X, Y, or Z scandal = i knew all about them.

i respect the constitution = fucking outdated piece of paper holding me back seeing as i know whats best for everyone.

- BARRY O

Guns dont kill people, stupid mutherfuckers with guns kill people.
Mabye if everyone had guns then when some psycho wants to get cute he would get wet by someone else. Instead the liberals think that gun control actually helps the situation.
The two arent rationally related. You make it harder to get guns legally, theyll get em on the black market.

Lets use logic. You think if someone is so f'd in the head that they are willing to shoot up innocent people for no reason that illegality is going to be an impediment to acquisition?

Get a life, worry about yourself. And oh yeah, get yourself a 40 cal with some hollow points in case anybody wants to try something.

Just out of curiousity lets say they passed a law banning everthing but bolt action rifles and revolvers and the cops came around to confinscate your guns, what would you do? Would you voluntarily give them up?

I think i might try to tell them mine were stolen the night before, but i'm not so sure they'll buy that story.

Subj: WORLD MURDER STATISTICS


This is astonishing.
If you Google "World wide homicide rates you can find numerous sites that verify this list. Here is one from the UN no less!
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WORLD MURDER STATISTICS





From the World Health Organization
The latest Murder Statistics for the world today: Murders per 100,000 citizens.

Honduras 91.6
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d'lvoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-Leste 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2
And ...................

The United States 4.2% !!!!

ALL the countries above America have 100% gun bans.

It might be of interest to note that
SWITZERLAND (not shown on this list)
also has ... NO MURDER OCCURRENCE!
However, SWITZERLAND'S law requires that EVERYONE....

1) Own a gun
2) Maintain Marksman qualifications....regularly
3) "Carry"........a Weapon.

You never hear about this!
GO ON YOU TUBE...ENTER
SWITZERLAND GUN LAWS OR
ANY INFORMATION RELATING TO
SWITZERLAND AND GUNS.

This AMAZING, VERY SMART, GUN POLICY, has been in effect since before Hitler's reign of terror in Europe.
Hitler never considered an attack on
SWITZERLAND soil because of their GUN OWNERSHIPLAWS.

That's simply not true.

Interesting once more, why you compare the US with those countries, most of which are developing countries, countries which had or have civil wars, poor countries, etc. The only European countries in that list are Estonia, Ukraine, Lithuania and Belarus.

Anyway, it's true that gun availability is not the only factor that contributes to murder rates. As you wrote yesterday in the Iran thread, culture and history can be a factor.

Switzerland (as almost always) is a special case. They hardly had any wars or armed conflicts. It's true, they have perhaps the most liberal gun law (oops, "liberal" in its original meaning). However, guns are hardly ever used as means of self defense. After having served in the army you can simply take your gun home, (but not the ammo).
I don't know why, but when it comes to Hitler or Nazi-Germany, the facts are frequently distorted on this board. Hitler didn't attack Switzerland not because of gun ownership, but simply because it was strategically not worth it. The Nazis even faked the preparation of an invasion. Instead, they attacked France via Belgium. Switzerland was ready to cooperate with Germany economically, which was all Germany needed for its armament.

Oh and for historical research, there are more serious sources on the internet than youtube.

Nobody ever attacked Switzerland because it is so mountainous. that goes back before guns were invented.

Yes and some folks don't get the point, Or just can't seem to acknowledge it without barking back.

Just so the point doesn't get clouded over by the quips:

Places with no guns allowed have higher rates then the US. No matter what size or economic placement and a place like Switzerland with many guns have a lower rate then the US.

It doesn't take to much to figure, even if you are anti guns and have a chip on your shoulder.....

also that youtube is just another media device so lets not discount the material, it is also listed on many places on the web. Those kind of pot shots are rather cheap, like alot of the comments from some people without real facts lately.

The US cities with the highest per-capita gun crime rates are Washington DC and Chicago where, until two fairly recent Supreme Court decisions, it was impossible for law-abiding citizens to own handguns.

And isn't THAT a real shame. The nations Capital.

Yet, when you compare gun-related deaths, the US has one of the highest rates per 100,000 in the world.

Interesting- who did the chart-

Compare the one from the United Nations pole and the one above

Take Estonia for example- a big gap between the two numbers reported in each and where is Russia?

Because this tracks ALL gun-related deaths including suicides and accidents.

The U.S. citizens own 88.8 guns per 100 people. The closest country is Yemen 54.8. Statistics are fun.

87.3% of people agree with you.

100% of the people agree with you 63.5% of the time.

Just a thought for all you gun people oout there who are worried that you need your guns to protect yourself from the government.

Where did they have the tightest gun control?
The USSR.

How many shots were fired to cause it to fall?
None.

Yes, but WHO put the statistics together on that chart?

And you may have hit it right on the head. Gun violence against another person is a bit different then suicides and gun accidents.

So depending on what you are looking at and the reason-the numbers could take you off track... leading to false fed opinions by many who gladly look for number to back their views.

So, what would you classify Columbine? Homicide? Suicide? They're all gun-related deaths. What about the 8 year old who accidentally shoots someone? Should that not be counted? I don't remember the source I got that chart from, but will look. In the meantime, here are numbers on homicides from the FBI. As you can see, guns account for the vast majority.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri...de-data-table-8

Fatherson, I think, I didn't just bark back. I wrote that gun availability is not the only factor that contributes to murder rates. The difference between your chart and SB's chart is that his only includes gun related deaths, not murder with poison, dogs, or spoons.
My reference to Youtube was not meant as an argument but as a question to refer to some more reliable source in general, which doesn't say anything about the specific source you referred to).

And I'm willing to agree that there are more horrifying weapons than guns:

Did you notice that in each case figures are lower per year?

But more impotant that your FBI chart states that with all that gun CRIME that takes in for the report... rifles are only used in 323 crimes down from 453 years before in the whole country. Yet rifles are the major weapons that are called to be banned? / or limited in every major gun bill.
Just because of a few headline making killings by some nutcases.

Now we are talking hundreds of thousand of rifles out there. Only 323 times. But lets hype things to call for almost all major rifles to be banned.

It is like saying lets put down all pitbulls becase of a few bad apples as we have said time and time again.

Look at those knife figures!
ever notice people throw out the total figures when they use facts, not the real breakdown as shown....
I agree lets talk facts, but real ones not hyped ones as are often thrown out there.

Columbine? Homicide? Suicide? Both, two nuts were suicides after doing so many homicdes on their poor victims.

Again, these are simply the homicides, and, yes, they are declining, as ALL crime has declined year after year. Kidnappings by strangers are at an all time low, but does that mean we should encourage our little ones to talk to a stranger in the park?

These are rather frightening numbers from the CDC, which tracks deaths in the US:

EVERY DAY ON AVERAGE (all ages) Every day, 282 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, accidents, and police intervention.
Every day, 86 people die from gun violence: 32 are murdered; 51 kill themselves; 2 die accidentally; 1, intent unknown.
Every day, 196 are shot and survive: 140 shot in an assault; 10 survive a suicide attempt; 43 are shot accidentally, 2 are shot in a police intervention.
EVERY DAY ON AVERAGE (ages 0-19) Every day, 50 children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, accidents, and police intervention.
Every day, 8 children and teens die from gun violence: 5 are murdered; 2 kill themselves.
Every day, 42 children and teens are shot and survive: 33 shot in an assault; 1 survives a suicide attempt; 9 are shot accidentally

It's the people and culture we have here. The Swiss walk around, ride buses, hang around with guns. It's common to see rifles being carried in that country, including major cites. Do that here and it's a massacre.

I grew up around guns, many of my neighbors, in fact almost all, owned some type of firearm. No murders, almost no crime. That was upstate New York. Now I am in NYC, only 2 hours away, and it's almost impossible to get a gun permit, but every other criminal has one, and crime is out of control.

It's the people, the morals, and the overemphasis on tolerance. If someone is 20 years old and has been arrested 8 or 9 times convicted 3 or 4 times, and they stay on street, what's to be expected?

gun control, thats rich coming from our very own hypocritical, incompetent government. us parks department has 1000's of guns unaccounted for.

http://www.guns.com/2013/06/29/u-s-parks...ficial-records/

KMBC-TV
updated 7/5/2013 12:46:16 PM ET

Gov. Jay Nixon vetoed legislation Friday that would have made it a Missouri crime for federal agents to attempt to enforce federal gun laws in the state and could have landed journalists in jail for publishing the names of gun owners.

How screwed up do these thing have to get? It is very simple stop all this legal bullshit. It is up to the people not the goverment to decide what we want. Last I looked the people still rule this world!

The goverment should do the job the way the people want. Not treat us like children and keep things from us because we may hurt ourselves. You can't drink a large coke or have candy ect.

People can't sanitize the world or protect everyone from everything and the Goverment shouldn't decide everything for us.

Govt refuses to release Zimmermans gun back to him, Thousand offer to lend him one so he is not without one with what people have said that they would do to him.

Others offer to buy him any gun he wants to make a point.

The trial evidence has been secured by the State for examination by federal authorities.