Both Michael and Tony suspected it and left all their jewelry at home. Michael told his daughter he loved her 10 times and his wife that if he wasn't back by 9 something bd had happened.

Honestly I don't know why they wouldn't just make a run for the border at that point, but I guess they had their reasons.

What evidence did they have on marcello to convict him, my understanding they didnt have much

Gary Martin, when Auippa went to prison, Carlisi was the Top Boss.

If everyone know you are going to be boss why not retreat and run the familiy like Tony and Paul.Front boss or street boss and die a free man like them.

They've had/have their "white collar" interests too. Some examples included the Carusos being booted out of the Laborers Union back in 2001. Spano, Inendino, and others involved in the Cicero insurance fraud case that year. And trucking companies belonging to Inendino and Shorty LaMantia's son involved in the 2004 "Hired Truck" scandal.

The differentiation comes from Elmwood Park appearing to be almost completely legit or quasi-legit, while Cicero and 26th Street are still involved in the "blue collar" street rackets.

i'm sure they have some kinda scam going with the casino's in nw Indiana

there are a lot of Italians in those casino's

and there ain't many if any Italians in gary, indiana

Cook County, You are one of the biggest Outfit fanboys on here. You really don't know very much about the Outfit at all.

I seriously have a couple of questions now for you:

1) Why are you so obsessed with the Outfit?
2) Why would you be so DESPERATLEY trying to prove that the Outfit is powerful like years ago?
3) Did you ever realize that the Outfit guys were the most prejudice guys I ever knew in my whole life?
4) They disliked Blacks very much and didn't want them around at all.
5) If I repeated what they said about Blacks, I would be banned from this Forum.
6) Knowing that information, and you being Black, why would you be so obsessed with them and want them to be so powerful like in the old days?
7) Seriously, I am amazed by it.

@cook county he's correct you know. And don't even get me started on southie in Boston. The Irish working class there cannot STAND blacks. No racism intended it's just a fact

@Chicago

most hatred or racism towards black people is because of fear

find a post where I said the outfit is as powerful as it was in the past

organized crime is the same no matter the color


@joeschmo

I don't give half of a fuck what's going on in beantown

Whatever dude just don't go to Boston in southie and expect any warm welcomes. However fact is your posts have reflected desire and rooting for the outfit to be powerful and rival New York which is "full of rats". Do you not understand that these people would beat the living day lights out of you and throw you in a dumpster? Why idolize them?

Organized crime is opitimized by Cook county. Forget omerta, forget cosa nostra; the crips, the bloods, thats where real oc is at. Wacking a guy because he stepped on your nikes; the opitimy of true oc.

Why is the average life span of a black gang banger 25 years old? Why? If its so organized.

This is really the be-all end-all post on cook's bizarre relationship with the outfit. Respect chicago.

Although in Frank Calabrese Jr.'s book, he said that his dad Frank Sr. always respected other cultures (Blacks, Asians, etc).

The Outfit had plenty of Jewish and Greek Associates, even Ken Eto (Japanese), a few Irish, a Welshman (Humphreys, etc.) Thus, the Outfit was pretty well represented, although I would say the largest non Italian group were Jews.

Although in New York and Philly, the only non Italian associates you saw/see were/are Jewish.

Most of the guys in the upper echelon of the Outfit who were non Italian were Jews.
The Italians respected the Jews and accepted them. Even among the non Mafia people, Wherever the Italians lived, the Jews lived right near them because the Italians would not bother them. Look at New York neighborhoods.

Murray Humphreys (Welsh), the Alex brothers (Greek) and Frank The German were also well respected. The Italians accepted the Jews way more than the Irish. No Comparison.

There were never any Blacks in the upper echelon, NEVER.

The only Irish was Marcello who was 1/2 Irish on his mother's side. They made him on one condition:
No drinking on the job. LOL.

guys like jeff fort didn't give a fuck about being in the upper echelon outfit

But you do. All you ever do is talk about how great the Outfit STILL is knowing that they hated you and your people for 90 years. Amazing display of masochism!

Btw, What color are Jeff Fort's Nike's?

No drinking on the job lol.
What did they say about the blacks in the outfit Chicago?
I heard they respected blacks quite a bit.

Where did you hear this? Mob guys in general, in Chicago and elsewhere, have historically be well known for their dislike of blacks. And them working with them in business at times didn't mean they didn't have contempt for them personally.

ivy thats the word on da street! im sure lil nicky would agree!

I was laying the sarcasm thick. I figured everybody had gotten my sarcastic tone by this point.

Pour a 40 out for lil nicky. See you in 7 boy!

word up

Vinnie, If I repeated what Outfit guys said about Blacks, I would be arrested and thrown in jail.

You ought to listen to the YouTube recordings of John Gotti. Total racist. Hates blacks and Jews and insults his children. Can't understand why people worship this guy.

@chicago

i'm quite aware of italians racism towards black (the same as everybody elses)

did the outfit guys say these things while sprinting from their neighborhoods?

white flight had alot to do with the syndicate losing power

White flight had nothing to do with the Outfit losing power...Strike One was losing Vegas in 86 when Aiuppa, Cerone and Angelo LaPietra went away. Strike Two was the downfall of the 1st Ward and losing the ENORMOUS political clout the Outfit had at the city and county level in the early 90's..Pat Marcy, Fred Roti, etc..Those two happenings corresponded with Johnny DiFronzo's rise to power in the early 90's and probably have much to do with why he said 'f*ck this!!!' lol...Times had changed and he knew it. Strike Three will be soon enough. Maybe when Johnny dies AND when Jimmy I is gone in Cicero. These younger guys may be violent but they sure as hell don't have the brains and the cunning that the older guys did.

Cook County, he's right about them being racist to an extent that I don't think you realize. I remember being a kid/teenager having coffee with a relative and some of the guys mentioned on these threads at the Big Top on Austin&Roosevelt in Cicero. They would all laugh when "a parade" would pass by. The "parade" was a long funeral procession coming west down Roosevelt from the black neighborhoods on the West Side to the cemeteries in Hillside and Forest Park. The procession would pass and they would speak of how there goes a good black guy - because he's dead. When the Outfit ran Cicero, black guys couldn't walk down the street there without being in legitimate fear for their lives. When one of the first black families moved into Melrose Park in the 80's, the family dog was nailed to the front door. These were RACIST guys. I'm as SICILIAN as they come, Cook County. My father is from Grand Avenue and my Mom grew up on Taylor Street. I grew up in Cicero and Berwyn. When I married a Mexican girl back in 97 lol gotta tell you a lotta people looked at me cross-eyed and shook their heads. It was kinda funny seeing all those old set in their ways guys try to not mention the word "sp*c" in front of me anymore lol...

Of course they were racist but Giancana did have mad respect for Teddy Roe, even though he killed him.

Wiki:

Over an FBI wiretap during the early 1970s, Giancana said of Roe, "I'll say this. ni**er or no ni**er, that bastard went out like a man. He had balls. It was a fuckin' shame to kill him."

The irony is that Teddy Roe was half-Italian...His father was a Sicilian from Louisiana..:) The irony of the racism on both sides is just HOW much each side loves to f*ck the other's women lol

That's funny.

Did you ever hear that story that Mad Sam kidnapped that black guy on the South Side at gun point, took him back to his house and forced the guy and his wife to have sex? Apparently he was pissed at his wife for something.

I think the guy ran and told the police or something. Anyway, it somehow wound up in the police archives if I remember correctly.