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Re: MLB 2013
[Re: Mark]
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08/20/13 11:19 AM
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Pitchers hit batters for the slightest of infractions, most of which are legal in the rules of baseball. Some unwritten rules prohibit crowding the plate, sneaking a peak at the catcher's signs and position, hitting a HR, watching your HR leave the park, sliding too hard during a double play, breaking up a no hitter by bunting, etc...ratting is worse.
In this case, it's ARod against the league, not ARod against one pitcher. That's why you may see ARod get plunked in every series, maybe even during batting practice!
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: MLB 2013
[Re: Mark]
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08/20/13 03:38 PM
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Update: Dempster suspended 5 games...
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: MLB 2013
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08/21/13 04:23 PM
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The suspension makes certain he misses a start.
Hard to believe, but he won't miss a single start as the Sox have two off days.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: MLB 2013
[Re: Mark]
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08/27/13 03:56 PM
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I went to a couple of Phillie games over the weekend, including an 18 inning marathon that ended after 2 am, the longest game (in actual time) in Phillie history.
My buddy and I were talking with a couple of friends of ours, who work in the front office, after the game for an hour when a couple of the Diamondback pitchers left the clubhouse to discover that their hotel shuttle had just left. Rather than call the hotel for another shuttle or walk to the hotel, my friend and I drove Chaz Roe and winning pitcher, Trevor Cahill, to the hotel as it was where we were staying.
We woke up in time for a quick brunch and got to the stadium in plenty of time for the Sunday afternoon game where I caught my first foul ball in a major league game. Got a few in minor league games, but I snagged Michael Young's high pop up behind first base. My glory was shortlived as I surrendered the ball to a little girl in our section.
It was a weekend of stadium cheesesteaks, beer and crab fries, topped off with mussels marinara at Chickie's and Pete's.
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Re: MLB 2013
[Re: Mark]
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08/28/13 09:42 AM
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Alfonse Soriano clubbing a pair of home runs to reach 400 career dingers.
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.
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Re: MLB 2013
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09/23/13 05:30 PM
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3 Hall of Famers?? Jeter, Rivera and who? Not A-Roid, unless the voters change, Petitte might not have the stupid "numbers", although his playoff performances make him a Famer in my book.
The Yankee dynasty is in the death throes. Who can they buy? Mike Trout, Davis, Cabrera? What pitchers? Verlander Schehrerehher? The farm team prospect? Who. I think we're headed for the Yankees of the late 60s, early 70s.
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted - Matthew 23:12
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Re: MLB 2013
[Re: Mark]
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Pettite would have been borderline. But his HGH issue will be the deal breaker.
He should eventually have a plaque in Monument Park at the stadium.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: MLB 2013
[Re: Mark]
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09/24/13 10:51 AM
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I've been hearing a lot lately about how the Yankees are heading towards a dark period. I can see how they may see that, however let's also realize that this team, despite all of the injuries they've had this season will barely miss the playoffs.
Texiera will come back next year, they should resign Cano, Nova has looked great since his demotion to Triple-A, they should be getting back Michael Pineda back for next season, Hughes and Chamberlain should be gone, Manny Banuelos who missed all of this year (and is the best pitching prospect they have in Triple-A before his injury) will be back next year (meaning he could be heading towards the Bronx in 2015), Vidal Nuno looked good during his brief time in the majors, Phelps has had spots where he's looked good as well.
Obviously no one can take over for the great Mariano Rivera. Robertson will try and do his best but he walks too many batters and isn't Mo. Also, losing someone like Pettitte who has his experience, can battle/grind his way through a game and can eat up a lot of innings will be felt as well. All I'm saying is I'm more optimistic than most out there.
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Re: MLB 2013
[Re: Mark]
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09/24/13 11:17 AM
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I agree with your assessment.
Rather than entering a dark period, the Yanks will have a single dark year. 2014 is when they will be under $189 million and save a lot of money moving ahead with the luxury tax.
After the dark year of 2014, the Yanks will be spending money to improve. With the surgeries to Banuelos and Pineda, there's no guarantee either will have a rotation spot. The youngster to keep an eye on is Jose Campos. He was a toss in for the Montero/Pineda trade, but might be the best player in the deal.
Despite dumping Scott Boras, Cano might still end up signing elsewhere. Someone will give the 30 year old, who won't run out ground balls, a 10 year contract. Remember when the experts said the Yanks had to sign ARod at all costs because they were moving into the new stadium? In hindsight, the Yanks should have let him walk.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: MLB 2013
[Re: goombah]
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09/24/13 11:26 AM
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With Petitte announcing his 2nd retirement, the Yankees will lose one of their most consistent starters. As if this was not bad enough, Rivera will retire as the game's best closer. More than likely, Derek Jeter will not be able to recover from his ankle problems and have to hang up his cleats. While Rivera & Jeter are HOF locks, Petitte will also be a strong candidate.
So my question is has a team ever lost 3 future Hall of Famers at once like this? I can't find a team where three future hall of famers retired from the same team after the same season. There have been lots of teams with three and more hallof famers on it from Tinkers/Evers/Chance of the 1900 Cubs through the present (By the way, Tinker and Evers absolutely hated each other). But I don't think Andy Pettite is a Hall of Famer. His 255 wins are more than a stone's throw from the "automatic" win total for hall entry, so other factors are needed. The necessary inquiry is whether he was dominant during his career, and he never led the league in wins, Ks or ERA, and not only did he never win a Cy Young, he never came close in balloting, finishing in the top three only once. He also has only 4 career shutouts. Bartolo Colon has three just this season. What Pettite has going for him is his winning percentage, but that says as much, if not more, about playing for the Yankees on teams that won a ton of games. He also has more postseason wins than anybody, but you can't compare that honestly with players, who played before 1995 because there is an extra round of playoffs. And players before 1969 never played in any playoffs. Bert Blyleven was the only pitcher under 300 Ws to make the Hall in 20+ years, and he had 288 for many teams below .500. I think we'll see several other pitchers below 300 Ws make the Hall in the coming years (Pedro, Smoltz and Schilling), but these guys were more dominant pitchers who gave up fewer runs. No current HOF pitcher has a higher career ERA than Pettite's. And, as mentioned, HGH will also keep him out. Pettite was a very good pitcher for a lot of years, but not a HOFer.
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Re: MLB 2013
[Re: klydon1]
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09/24/13 11:48 AM
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With Petitte announcing his 2nd retirement, the Yankees will lose one of their most consistent starters. As if this was not bad enough, Rivera will retire as the game's best closer. More than likely, Derek Jeter will not be able to recover from his ankle problems and have to hang up his cleats. While Rivera & Jeter are HOF locks, Petitte will also be a strong candidate.
So my question is has a team ever lost 3 future Hall of Famers at once like this? I can't find a team where three future hall of famers retired from the same team after the same season. There have been lots of teams with three and more hallof famers on it from Tinkers/Evers/Chance of the 1900 Cubs through the present (By the way, Tinker and Evers absolutely hated each other). But I don't think Andy Pettite is a Hall of Famer. His 255 wins are more than a stone's throw from the "automatic" win total for hall entry, so other factors are needed. The necessary inquiry is whether he was dominant during his career, and he never led the league in wins, Ks or ERA, and not only did he never win a Cy Young, he never came close in balloting, finishing in the top three only once. He also has only 4 career shutouts. Bartolo Colon has three just this season. What Pettite has going for him is his winning percentage, but that says as much, if not more, about playing for the Yankees on teams that won a ton of games. He also has more postseason wins than anybody, but you can't compare that honestly with players, who played before 1995 because there is an extra round of playoffs. And players before 1969 never played in any playoffs. Bert Blyleven was the only pitcher under 300 Ws to make the Hall in 20+ years, and he had 288 for many teams below .500. I think we'll see several other pitchers below 300 Ws make the Hall in the coming years (Pedro, Smoltz and Schilling), but these guys were more dominant pitchers who gave up fewer runs. No current HOF pitcher has a higher career ERA than Pettite's. And, as mentioned, HGH will also keep him out. Pettite was a very good pitcher for a lot of years, but not a HOFer. I don't disagree that Petitte will probably not make it, especially since he used PEDs. But he was a winning pitcher and had some big playoff moments. The HOF voters may eventually be forced to move the benchmarks away from 300 wins. But I fully agree with Klydon that Petitte benefited greatly from being on very good teams in an expanded playoff era to boost his numbers. HOF or not, Petitte's retirement, combined with probable loss of Jeter and Rivera, will be extremely difficult to replace. Petitte was never a #1 starter, but he was a reliable 2nd or 3rd option behind the likes of Clemens, Mussina, Cone, & Wells.
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Re: MLB 2013
[Re: LittleMan]
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09/24/13 11:58 AM
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I agree with your assessment.
Rather than entering a dark period, the Yanks will have a single dark year. 2014 is when they will be under $189 million and save a lot of money moving ahead with the luxury tax.
After the dark year of 2014, the Yanks will be spending money to improve. With the surgeries to Banuelos and Pineda, there's no guarantee either will have a rotation spot. The youngster to keep an eye on is Jose Campos. He was a toss in for the Montero/Pineda trade, but might be the best player in the deal.
Despite dumping Scott Boras, Cano might still end up signing elsewhere. Someone will give the 30 year old, who won't run out ground balls, a 10 year contract. Remember when the experts said the Yanks had to sign ARod at all costs because they were moving into the new stadium? In hindsight, the Yanks should have let him walk. I agree: 2014 may be worse than this year and they'll get under their salary cap threshold and then begin to spend again. I just hope they do it wisely. No more A-Rod deals! I think Pineda will have a rotation spot next year. Sure it's not guaranteed but I think the Yankees will pull the trigger. They've already shut him down for the season and his numbers weren't horrible upon his return. With the lack of quality free agent pitchers this offseason, I could see the Yankees putting him in the rotation with no expectation and making him a number 4 or 5 guy to try and take some of that pressure off. I heard Jose Campos was good and could be an absolute steal. Didn't he miss this year as well due to surgery or no? You're absolutely right about how the Yankees should have let A-Rod walk. I said that back in 2007 before he resigned. What I didn't know then and have only found out in recent months was that the Yankees were looking to move on without him and guess who they were talking to? The Florida Marlins. And guess who they were discussing. Miguel Cabrera! Can you imagine what they guy would be doing in Yankee Stadium as opposed to Comerica Park as a Yankee? He would have won his triple crown sooner than last year. Plus, he's younger and healthier too than A-Rod. The absolute most dangerous hitter in the league today. Shaking my head at what could have been...
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Re: MLB 2013
[Re: Mark]
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09/24/13 08:56 PM
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I agree that 300 will no longer be the benchmark. 250 will be the new 300. That is why if you excluded the HGH issue, Pettite would be an interesting nominee.
Mussina is also on the cusp of the Hall of Fame. Does he get in? 270 wins.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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