For all the bombast of the original post, I don't think, where it's on target, it differentiates at all from what most of the level headed posters in this forum have been saying for a long time.

And it is simply wrong about a few things. The Irish baiting is comical. Our Mayor's Jewish if you didn't notice, to start. Corruption is probably not worse than in other big cities these days.

Sg Waue, lol as long as Cicero exists the corruption there will be pandemic. The roots run deep. Is all of it Outfit influenced? NO...Is most of it??? YES..The day will come in the near future when the G indicts and convicts its current "reformer" town President - one Larry Dominick. He has been an Outfit "dickrider' ( since you patented that term lol ) ever since he was serving Emmo Schullo's coffee in the Police Department there...:) As to what Stone Park said about the Outfit having a fanbase in Chicago's Italian-American community akin to the support the National Soccer team gets in Brazil, he is POINT ON ABOUT THAT...I never understood it either, but it's true as evidenced on these boards time and again. I grew up in that neighborhood and know it well and still have some family there. Nothing more amusing to me than to hear the old-timers talk about how the "G shoulda left the Outfit alone in this neighborhood !!! We wouldn't have the drugs and the whores and the gangs and the problems we have today!!!!' LMAO..I grew up in the 80's when The Outfit-especially in Cicero was at its peak...#1. Rocky Infelise-who took over the Cicero Crew in 89 when Ferriola died and later was the #2 in the whole Outfit- WAS A CONVICTED HEROIN DEALER !!!!! #2. The only difference between now and then in terms of prostitution is that back then there were at least FOUR DIFFERENT OUTFIT STRIP JOINTS/WHOREHOUSES THAT OPERATED OPENLY IN CICERO..:) I dont get the logic that its ok in some club but that streetwalkers are no good because they may have 1 or 2 less teeth that the whores in those joints lol....#3. In the 80's the gang problem in Cicero was WORSE than in is today !!!! The Hispanic gangs were muscling in then and the 2 old white gangs fought them tooth and nail. Shootings and killings were a regular thing. What did the Outfit do to prevent all of that??? NOTHING...PEOPLE CONTINUALLY AND REPEATEDLY BELIEVE THAT THE OUTFIT IS THIS ALL POWERFUL MEGALITH IT ONCE WAS AND IT IS NOT !!!!!!! It's ingrained in the heads of the old time Italians who grew up on Taylor Street, or Grand Avenue, or Bridgeport who in turn passed in on to their kids who grew up in Cicero and in Berwyn and in Melrose Park and in Elmwood Park who in turn passed it on to the next generation who grew up in Bloomingdale and Addison and Westchester..It's one hell of a myth but IT'S JUST NOT SO ANYMORE, GET OVER IT...:)

Off topic, but do you live in New York, Sonny? Why did I think you were Australian?

Excellent post, by the way .

why do you beg for chicago to be relevant....it boggles my mind

On the last forum, I posted a pic of Carl Dote with the alderman and Mayor of Des Plaines all smiling and having drinks. Ivy had no response and stopped commenting on the thread.

He's just a kid, Cheech. And a good kid at that. But it IS crazy how many people have their self esteem tied into how big and bad their local criminals are .

First of all, when I mentioned WI, AZ, Vegas, FL, and Central America, I was not claiming there are Outfit “crews” there at all, so stop inferring that. Nowhere did I state that. My point is that the Outfit is small, and, though not as powerful as it once was, it is very capable in areas it concentrates its efforts. Also, the influence of these people, who are now quasi-legit, is still completely entrenched in the State of Illinois, and I am arguing that the government would have to take a scorched earth approach to eradicating it. The Outfit is not a neighborhood-based organization anymore, and these guys spend their time all over the place. They work remotely, if you will. The government would have to cast a very wide net to wipe out the whole organization, which is why I mentioned places I know they spend a substantial amount of time. THAT was my point.

Gambling outposts in Costa Rica, etc., (Central America) established by Mooney in the 1960’s still exist today and bring in more money for the Outfit these days than Aruba. If you do not believe me, ask Michael Magnafichi that exact question before his next podcast. If what I am claiming is false, then he should have no problem discussing and dismissing it, the same way he does with other false information. What Mike will say is, “I am not comfortable talking about that.” Also, when Joe Lump skipped town when the Family Secrets indictments dropped, the government publicly stated that he was could have gone somewhere south of the border where he had gambling interests. Likewise, James Marcello discussed with his brother the prospect of hopping on an airplane to Central America immediately upon his release on the “prison tapes.” That the Outfit has “interests abroad” is not new information.

By the way, if anyone reading this denies that there is endemic corruption in the State of Illinois then it is pretty clear that you do not live in the State of Illinois. Corruption is part of the state infrastructure, and if the Outfit was somehow to magically disappear, there would be a vacuum. The corruption would remain, and that is a fact. Illinois is not a normal state, and does not know how to be a normal state. The street gangs (Gangster Disciples, Latin Kings) even have a certain amount of influence through particular alderman. Read about Chicago’s political violence problem. Chicago is an awful place.

And if anyone reading this denies that there is a powerful Irish-Catholic bloc, then you are ignorant. You are simply ignoring the obvious. I am not saying there is an Irish mob; I am saying that there are many very crooked Irish pollies and judges who wield more power in Illinois and Chicago than any other group. The fact that Rahm Emanuel is the mayor and is Jewish is meaningless. Ask yourself why he is mayor. Ask yourself how he even ended up on the ballet, which never should have happened. There is no Irish-American mob in Chicago because there does not need to be an Irish-American mob. They took City Hall and the State Capitol decades ago, and that is the way it will be until there are no more Daleys, Madigans, et al. http://voices.suntimes.com/early-and-often/sweet/michelle-obama-distressed-abou/

I think some of you guys live in the mountains in Idaho.

"Ask yourself why he is mayor."

Um, because his biggest competitor was some guy named Gerry Chico who had a snowball's chance in hell of winning and Rahm won by 70 percent of the vote.

Most Irish her are like fourth, fifth generation.

I'm Irish.

The idea that people or Irish heritage sit about conspiring as fellow Irish is ridiculous. Do you also believe in the Loch Ness Monster?

Most Irish Americans, as well as native Irish, actually get annoyed as fuck at all the corny stereotyping and sentimentality regarding being Irish.

There are only eight million people in all of f**king Ireland, how many do you think there are here? There are 300 million Americans, about 40 million claim Irish ANCESTRY but like I said it is diluted and in many instances not true at all.

Top o' the mornin' to you, now I have to go down to City Hall and conspire with my Jewish co-conspirators and a secret cabal of alderman on how to keep the Sicilians down!

You are making a lousy inference. These are not off-the-boat Irish people, which is why I am calling them Irish-Americans.

The Irish-American political community in Chicago as is insular as the Outfit. Do you seriously disagree with that? JFK was a third generation Irish American who had a strong Irish identity. You don't think the these pols have an Irish identity because they're [x] generation? I am not attacking Irish people, by the way.

You have a very naive perspective on Mayor Rahm. What is more relevant than who ran against him is who didn't run against him--and why. I can only assume you are not from Chicago because you are struggling to relate to a perspective shared by most Chicagoans.

And where did I say anything about the Irish keeping the "Sicilians" down?

I'm begging for outfit strength by saying Cicero is corrupt? That it common sense but obviously you don't know shit about Chicago.

Until you can start speaking in specifics, I am going to take it as an admission you got nothin'.

Who *didn't* run against Rahm? Probably a lot of people, knowing they would get slaughtered, as he was singlehandedly responsible when he was about 30 years old for building the biggest political war chest for Bill Clinton in the history of the country, he has a personal net worth of approximately $15 million, he is best friends with Obama (not Irish, by the way--that would be O'Bama) and he has an IQ about twice that of most career politicians.

Yes I am from Chicago I am just not from the class that sits around at bars crying in their beer talking about conspiracy theories.

Irish are like Jews; people may think they 'stick together' whereas in reality most of the time they can't stand each other.

Go take a look at the list of Alderman and tell me what percentage are Irish.

This isn't 1922.

If Daley ran again he would've won. I'm part Irish myself and Irish do stick together, where'd you get that from? Still tons of Irish neighborhoods today as well as politicians. Don't forget that Irish are the highest populated ethnicity in Chicago.

No they're not, it's German.

Name me ONE "Irish neighborhood" outside of Canaryville.

Nicky, your general world view is that of the 1930s, so suffice it to say I totally disagree.

Mrs. Obama resents the way power in Illinois is locked up generation after generation by a group of families, all white Irish Catholic statewide. Chicago is not Boston, and the City Council is diverse, obviously. I did not state anything to the contrary. Can I ask how/why you interpreted my posts as presenting an Italian vs. Irish rivalry? I am curious because I said nothing of the sort. I was simply describing how Chicago and Illinois are fundamentally corrupt--an observation no one paying any attention could possibly disagree with. A large part of it is attributable to the Chicago Outfit, as I stated, but the Irish-American aspect of it is built into the corrupt infrastructure, as well.

German ? The Daley's are Irish.
Bridgeport
Mt Greenwood
Beverly
Oak lawn
Evergreen
You've obviously never been to the south side of Chicago. Pretty much every neighborhood/town here is mostly Irish.

Irish stick together? Since when? Hes right nicky boy ur stuck in a different century. Ur all 6-7th generation irish. You know how you stick together? Your white. The only white groups that stick together are italians, and thats not exclusivley either. And only when theres a big enough population

Can u tell a irish person from a german? Bullshit. Your wishful thinking turns a white neighborhood into an irish neighborhood.

OOOOOOK Nicky, is Bridgeport an Italian or Irish neighborhood, LOL, I thought we had this discussion?

Here you go, just to show you how wildly misinformed you are, as far back as 1990 only 6.4 percent of Bridgeport residents were Irish.

http://www.uic.edu/orgs/LockZero/tables/T19.htm

Now I am going to stop posting because we have derailed a somewhat interesting thread.

My apologies.

4th generation actually. But Irish definitely stick together at least in Chicago and Boston. I agree Italians definitely stick together as well as the Polish. Those 3 I think are the only white ethnicities that still do.

And it's pretty easy to tell apart a German and an Irish from each other.

No nose how about all my other examples? Nothing to say about those right?

FUCK HER!!!!!!!! She would rather Illinois be controlled by reputable, moral political dynasties with the name of Jackson, Beavers and Stroger...Her and her chipmunk teeth

I'll give ya Beverly (? percent) and Mt. Greenwood (40 percent). The other two neighborhoods are not in the city.

Why do they have to be in the city? They're literally across the street from each other.

Right. When people talk about Chicago, organized crime, and corruption, they are typically referring to the metropolis: "Chicagoland." Cicero, Berwyn, Elmwood Park, and Melrose Park are not in the city either. Capone set up shop in Cicero.

This is getting way off topic. The point is this: People chatter about the Chicago Outfit on this site and others like it is still the 1960’s. Well, it is 2013, and the “traditional” Outfit is streamlined to the point where it bears little resemblance to its former self. As I originally said, thirty “made guys” is an accurate, if not charitable, estimate. Personally, I think talking about made guys and how many of them there are is missing the point, as per the title of this thread. What is interesting and disturbing to me is that the Outfit is even able to exist at all after Family Secrets. That should have been the end of it, but it will continue and inevitably evolve because the local, city, and state governments entail its existence. The two entities have a reciprocal relationship. That might not be very romantic, but that is the way it is.

+1 skinny and jonnynonos.

Nickyeyes: How exactly do you tell the diff between an Irish and a German?
Because its fucking beyond me.

Outfit preachers: its fine to make a claim. But you need to back it up.
"You're obviously not from Chicago" doesn't cut it.

Didn't realize how many people don't know the difference between Irish and Germans!
They look different than each other and also look at their fucking last names! Take a guess where the last name O'Malley comes from. How about Schultz? Not that complicated.

Obviously last names. Thanks for the insight.

Specifically visually? How do they look different?

Discussing neighborhood gossip about who is made and who is running things in Elmwood Park or Grand Avenue is not being a "fanboy." Please stop these self-decided myth busting crusades...why not just ignore people you feel over-hype the Outfit and move on? You are on an OC forum. Of course people exaggerate. IF you are a recovering alcoholic, you probably shouldn't browse the liquor store and get mad at the owner for "tempting you."

I find it odd that the, for lack of better term, "anti-Outfit" people get so angry. If people like Huron and ChiTown are wrong who cares? Why are you guys getting so angry? I have not once seen any of these guys claim the Outfit was all powerful. In reality, almost every single one of them has said just the opposite. All they've said is that they're still around in some form or another...which I don't really think anyone debates.


And furthermore, aren't we all "fanboys" to an extent? For Christ's sake we're posting on a mafia message board. Some people on here have more than 5,000 posts!

Good grief.

The "German" comment was correcting that the Irish do not make up the most claimed ethnic heritage in Chicago, it is, I was saying, Germans.

However, I actually Googled it and it has changed over the last few years, and now Irish is in fact the most claimed ethnic group.

Germans traditionally settled on the north side, which has probably become less residential to native Chicagoans (of German ancestry) over the last 10-20 years and seen more transplants moving in, thus less people claiming German heritage.