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Re: Non Italian made members [Re: Thaddeus] #733359
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Lic you got a real hard on for LCN.

Re: Non Italian made members [Re: lic] #733535
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Originally Posted By: lic
ITS ALL A JOKE... YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE AN ITALIAN LAST NAME OR BE A TOP EARNER WITH ANY KIND OF LAST NAME... LA FAKE NOSTRA.

MOST RECENT

BILLY ANGELESCO WHO HAS HALF IRISH WAS INDUCTED TO NEW ENGLAND FAMILY IN 2001-2002

GREG COSTA- IS PORTUGUESE AND A SUPPOSED MADE MAN


There have been several made guys who were not full Italian but they still had Italian blood and, almost always, an Italian last name. Only a few were Italian only on their mother's side. There has never been a guy made who wasn't at least partially Italian. But all of these are the exceptions to the rule. Just because a guy has an Italian last name, doesn't mean he's going to get made. Nor will a non-Italian simply because he makes a lot of money. If that were the case, a guy like Joe Watts would have got his finger pricked a long time ago.

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Greg Scarpa Jr, The Grim Reaper's original wife's name was Connie Forrest. Also Senior's family came from Venezia ie far northern Italy which was traditionally a no no

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Re: Non Italian made members [Re: Thaddeus] #733646
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There was an informant in Chicago in the early 1960s who said he was an old-timer who was accepted into the Outfit in the early days because he had an Italian last name and he looked Italian. The details were sketchy and the document was heavily redacted(can't find it at the moment) but he said he had moved to Chicago from the East Coast. My guess would be that he was really an Italian Jew. He said if word got out, he'd be in danger. Could be BS who knows.

Re: Non Italian made members [Re: Thaddeus] #735218
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NEW ENGLAND PATRIARCA

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ANGELESCO
PRYCE QUINTANA- HERD HE WAS HALF JEWISH??? A REVERE OLD TIMER.

Re: Non Italian made members [Re: SonnyL] #735732
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Originally Posted By: SonnyL
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I'm sure this has been discussed and I apologize in advance. That said, anyone know the names of any non full blooded Italians who were made? The names of the individuals and the families they were inducted in would be great. I know John Veasey, John Gotti jr., and Steve Flemmi were not full blooded. Are there any more? Any guys with no Italian heritage at all?

Steve Flemmi turned down his button I think you mean frank "Cadillac frank" salemme who was half Irish and eventually boss of the patriarcas and he made his son frank jr who was only one quarter Italian

It is also possible that Frank Narducci jr of Philadelphia may not be Italian he was adopted by Bruno family soldier\capo Chickie Narducci but I don't know if he's Italian or another ethnicity


I said this in a recent thread. But if Frankie Narducci was adopted in infancy and he grew up italian then I would consider him italian American. Because his last name is italian and being italian is in his blood.

Re: Non Italian made members [Re: Thaddeus] #735733
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But if he's not Italian, it's not in his blood.


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Re: Non Italian made members [Re: Thaddeus] #735734
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By in his blood I mean metaphorically. Nobody is literally of italian blood it's type A and type B etc.

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If you're not italian/irish/german/american/african...you're not. Your dna is what it is, you can't be something you're not, just because you're adopted and grew up within a certain culture. Culture is one thing, but your dna is another.
When this person has children you consider them having italian genes too, because their father was adopted into an italian family? lol


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Re: Non Italian made members [Re: Thaddeus] #735737
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By in his blood I mean its the only thing he knows. Its part of his everyday life. Being italian and the italian culture is a part of him permanently. It's never going to leave him.

Re: Non Italian made members [Re: carmela] #735738
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Originally Posted By: carmela
If you're not italian/irish/german/american/african...you're not. Your dna is what it is, you can't be something you're not, just because you're adopted and grew up within a certain culture. Culture is one thing, but your dna is another.
When this person has children you consider them having italian genes too, because their father was adopted into an italian family? lol


I would consider them italian yes! Lol. Because the last name sticks with them and their legal father and grandparents ancenstry would be traced back to Italy. In terms of genes thats a little complicated because in the end I really believe that we all came from one place anyway so.

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If their DNA is tested off of a gun(Let's just say for arguments sake)it will say Frankie Narducci. It won't say a different name because his blood might not be italian.

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Originally Posted By: Revis_Island
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If you're not italian/irish/german/american/african...you're not. Your dna is what it is, you can't be something you're not, just because you're adopted and grew up within a certain culture. Culture is one thing, but your dna is another.
When this person has children you consider them having italian genes too, because their father was adopted into an italian family? lol


I would consider them italian yes! Lol. Because the last name sticks with them and their legal father and grandparents ancenstry would be traced back to Italy. In terms of genes thats a little complicated because in the end I really believe that we all came from one place anyway so.


So, if I go out and change my last name to an Italian surname tomorrow, I'm suddenly Italian? Sorry, it doesn't work like that.


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Re: Non Italian made members [Re: Thaddeus] #735743
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But if you changed your surname it wouldn't trace back anywhere. Your legal parents aren't italian so you wouldn't be italian. And you aren't italian? I was under the impression that everyone on this site for the most part was. Not that it matters.

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Originally Posted By: Revis_Island
But if you changed your surname it wouldn't trace back anywhere. Your legal parents aren't italian so you wouldn't be italian.


Except that wouldn't go beyond the paper it was printed on. It doesn't change one's DNA. Using the same hypothetical scenario, even if it were possible to falsify my family's historical records going back as far as possible, it wouldn't make me Italian.

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And you aren't italian? I was under the impression that everyone on this site for the most part was. Not that it matters.


No, both sides of my family come from England. There are lots of posters on these OC forums that are not Italian.


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Re: Non Italian made members [Re: Thaddeus] #735745
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Falsifying records? I think you're going too far lol. If someones your parents then they are your parents. Legally they are your parents. If it says on that paper that so and so is your mother an father than they are. In a court of law it would say joe is your father whether he is your biological father or not. If it says it on that paper, then that's what it is.

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Lets say, I adopted a boy at infancy and he had a project in school where he had to trace back his ancenstry. I'm not going to say, "Well your German". In going to say "You grew up Italian with me and your mother, you have my last name, you are italian. My ancestry goes back to Italy, therefore, so does yours".

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If I was the boss of a family, I would mostly want Italians but if there were some special earners who have proved themselves by being loyal and they understand the rules and understand omertà then I would have them inducted. It's not like Italians don't rat in the mob and Italians aren't stupid when it comes to mafioso business because a lot of them are. A lot of them aren't too.

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Originally Posted By: Revis_Island
Falsifying records? I think you're going too far lol. If someones your parents then they are your parents. Legally they are your parents. If it says on that paper that so and so is your mother an father than they are. In a court of law it would say joe is your father whether he is your biological father or not. If it says it on that paper, then that's what it is.


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Lets say, I adopted a boy at infancy and he had a project in school where he had to trace back his ancenstry. I'm not going to say, "Well your German". In going to say "You grew up Italian with me and your mother, you have my last name, you are italian. My ancestry goes back to Italy, therefore, so does yours".


No, the boy's real ancestry is from wherever his biological parents were from. This is something that can't be changed by the courts, upbringing, etc. Somebody may be recognized legally as something, but that doesn't change what they actually are.


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I disagree. And I think you're way off. But I feel the way I feel and so do you.

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I really believe that everybody started out in Africa. That's my belief.

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Originally Posted By: Revis_Island
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I'm sure this has been discussed and I apologize in advance. That said, anyone know the names of any non full blooded Italians who were made? The names of the individuals and the families they were inducted in would be great. I know John Veasey, John Gotti jr., and Steve Flemmi were not full blooded. Are there any more? Any guys with no Italian heritage at all?

Steve Flemmi turned down his button I think you mean frank "Cadillac frank" salemme who was half Irish and eventually boss of the patriarcas and he made his son frank jr who was only one quarter Italian

It is also possible that Frank Narducci jr of Philadelphia may not be Italian he was adopted by Bruno family soldier\capo Chickie Narducci but I don't know if he's Italian or another ethnicity


I said this in a recent thread. But if Frankie Narducci was adopted in infancy and he grew up italian then I would consider him italian American. Because his last name is italian and being italian is in his blood.

no being italian is not in his blood, just because he was raised as an italian does not make him of italian descent, but like i said before i dont know what ethnicity his biological parents were so it is possible that they were also italian

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I disagree. And I think you're way off. But I feel the way I feel and so do you.


You can disagree all you want but it doesn't matter. This isn't a subjective issue based on opinion. It's an objective, black and white issue. You sound like those people that think a man going through a sex change, and legally changing his name to Sally, actually makes him a woman.


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Ivy. You feel the way you feel and I feel the way I feel. That's it. I disagree with you and I think you are way off. If someone grows up with their parents their whole life and they feel they are what their parents are, how can you say "No you are not that" to them? I guess you have to be in that position to judge. I have a friend who was adopted and my cousins kid was adopted. Their parents have always told them they were italian and that their ancestors came from Italy. That's why they have such a strong sense of being italian. Just like everyone else in my family. Even though my friend is actually italian he has a strong pride in being specifically sicilian. His parents are sicilian. So he has deep pride in being sicilian even though he might not even be Sicilian. But his parents are and he loves his parents and his parents tell him they are sicilian specifically so he is too. My cousin's kid acts and talks just like everyone in the family. He has the same values and he says he's italian if you ever ask him what he is. It's a part of them. So is my cousin not "One of us"? Is he not considered my blood? Or my kin? And the disparaging remarks are not necessary my man. No need to get angry over a simple conversation.

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Originally Posted By: lic
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PRYCE QUINTANA- HERD HE WAS HALF JEWISH??? A REVERE OLD TIMER.


Was Jimmy Martorano made? Not John, his bro

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Ivy. You feel the way you feel and I feel the way I feel. That's it. I disagree with you and I think you are way off. If someone grows up with their parents their whole life and they feel they are what their parents are, how can you say "No you are not that" to them? I guess you have to be in that position to judge. I have a friend who was adopted and my cousins kid was adopted. Their parents have always told them they were italian and that their ancestors came from Italy. That's why they have such a strong sense of being italian. Just like everyone else in my family. Even though my friend is actually italian he has a strong pride in being specifically sicilian. His parents are sicilian. So he has deep pride in being sicilian even though he might not even be Sicilian. But his parents are and he loves his parents and his parents tell him they are sicilian specifically so he is too. My cousin's kid acts and talks just like everyone in the family. He has the same values and he says he's italian if you ever ask him what he is. It's a part of them. So is my cousin not "One of us"? Is he not considered my blood? Or my kin? And the disparaging remarks are not necessary my man. No need to get angry over a simple conversation.


I've already explained this and you just seem intent on thinking this is a matter of opinion when it isn't. As for you friend who was adopted, or your cousin's kid who was adopted, it totally depends on who their birth parents were. If their birth parents weren't Italian, they are NOT Italian. It's got nothing to do with how much they love their parents, how they act and talk, etc.


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My cousins borth parents are not italian. But his parents are. And that's how he's grown to be. An italian. It's all he knows. It's not an opinion. It's a fact that that's the way he's grown up. It's a fact that his last name traces back to his great grandfather in Sicily. He will forever be tied to his italian roots.

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Again. You have to be in that position to judge. And apparently you are not.

Edit: So don't be so judgemental. You don't know everything you know. It's impossible. Like I said, you feel how you feel and I feel how I feel. That's it.

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John Gotti Jr was 75% italian or half? Was his mother half italian or not italian at all? And didn't john change the rule so his son could be inducted?

EDIT: He was 75%. Not half.

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Whether your cousin's adopted kid is Italian or not has nothing to do with this thread. The purpose of the you must be Italian rule is so yor family can be traced back to Italy or Sicily and your family killed should you become a rat. Your cousins kid may be culturally Italian but he is not of Italian blood no matter how many bowls of pasta he has eaten. While he may identify with Italians because of the culture he was raised, his bloodline cannot be traced back to Italy.

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