ive said this before and ill say it again...no one i know that gets money tax free wants anything to do with the mafia....the ones that did are currently incarcerated

do your own thing on the low get a real job keep to yourself and youll have a better shot than if you were connected


my opinion

Why the fuck r u puting new york and chicago in the same sentance like their equals, thats a laugh, now i absolutely hate the ny and chicago debate like wer arguing who has the better football team but some1has to keep all u little outfit cheerleaders in line. And u can defiantly put boston and philly in the same category as chicago, i wouldnt b surprised if they both outast the outfit.

Lol damn saying the outfit is equal to new york is like saying obama is a good president.

I agree. Anytime before 1985, you could have made a very strong argument that Chicago was on an equal par with any of the New York 5 Families.
However, in 2013, it's not even close.

Genovese
Gambino


Lucchese
Colombo
Bonnano


New Jersey
Philly
Chicago
New England
Detroit


Note: Lucchese, Colombo & Bonnano are all basically equally give or take a little.

Note: New Jersey, Philly, Chicago, New England, Detroit are all basically on the same level give or take a little.


Chicago has dropped significantly because of:
1) Strawman Case 1985
2) DiFronzo, Lombardo retreatment several years ago
3) RICO Act and general attrition.

Chicago is not on the same level as the 5 Families in New York like years ago.
No fucking way.

I'll ask again, how closely do you follow mob indictments? From the looks of it, not very. I can give you example after example of the mob in New York still being very active, very diversified (including in sophisticated crimes), as well as make a very strong case that it's still the strongest organized crime group in the Tri-State area.



The Chicago family is much closer to the Philadelphia or Boston families, in both size and scope, than it is any of the New York families today.

What do you follow a couple of morons who take action on sports? Give me some examples ivy , besides trucchio what real money makers got picked up lately.
Strongest organized crime group amongst themselves blacks Spanish Russian Chinese they have balls and money , Italians have sports and card games wohooo in America Italy is a diff story . I'm Italian and was obsessed with the mob but it's nuttin now

No one is putting Chicago & NY on the same level. There is obviously a giant gap between the two.

However, Philly & Boston are mom & pop shops compared to the Outfit at this point. That is not debatable.

Actually it is very debatable, all 3 r pretty much street operations whose main income comes from gambling, and they all have pretty much the same manpower.

Anyone that copies & pastes "leaked" federal information is a non-contributor around here. This is information that is regularly fabricated for various reasons, and easily obtained by pedestrians.

Here, I'll paste a link to this week's weather report & claim it's breaking, inside news.

What fuck r u talking about??? I didnt copy and paste anything. What about what i said is wrong?? And as for being a non contributor you make up and exagerate bullshit to make the outfit seem as powerful as it is in your head, how is that contributing to anything??

First Philly, than New England, then Chicago, just my opinion as far as activity

Again, neither are even close to Chicago. Maybe in terms of "made guys", which obviously works much differently within the Outfit. Other than that, not even close.

Philly especially is a laughing stock & will be gone within the next 20 years.

"Neither r even close to chicago" in terms of what may i ask? And when i said manpower i didnt jus mean made guys(which may have meant a different thing in the past for chicago but its pretty much the same thing now) i meant made guys + associates and all 3 r pretty much even.

@Ciccio67: the blacks couldn't organize a fuck in a brothel and the SPANISH?!?!?

Russians are overrated though there, the Chinese will never be a force outside their own community.

NY (in order, ORGANISED):
1. Italian
2. Mexican/south American (drugs)
3. Russian
4. Albanian/Chinese

@Huron: Chicago is on a par with Philly and possibly NE. This is not debatable. The outfit is a SHELL of itself.

End of story.

Thank God we don't have to be Politically Correct on these Forums.
Blacks are the worst organized. They are almost basically not organized at all except for their own little neighborhood Cells. They are constantly killing each other.

The Police,(we're not even talking about the Politicians or any other powerful Public figures who could help them) hate their guts.
The biggest enemies of Black Gangsters are other Black Gangsters and the Police, in that order.

Philly is a laughingstock. They are all brokesters, the UB Angelina got beat up by a drug dealer and no retaliation. The ex-boss was a street punk Joey Merlino. Can you imagine where a guy like Merlino would be in the pecking order in Chicago? You have a rat like Previte living in the open in NJ. How many guys does Philly have on the street that are feared and respected? How many big earners do they have? It's not even close between Philly and Chicago in terms of wealth and quality.

Smart gangsters make friends with the cops. Stupid gangsters make enemies with the cops.

You have no idea what the fuck your talking about. No balls huh? surveillence stops them hahaha please huh. Some how you know what the fuck guys are making get the fuck outta the room guy. Mr fuckin internet browser calling people wanna be tough guys.

You have no idea wtf you are talkin about ,
If the mob was what it was mob wives wouldn't be
There dads husband would be all dead ,
You wouldn't have John elite walking around queens after he ratted
On gotti jr or anyone.
You have the boss of Elizabeth frank Guaracci went to go shake
Down a pizza place and the manager calld the cops on him no repercussions,
Nicky santoro was so broke his mistress had to loan him money,
You watch to much tv and have no idea what the streets are these days mob guys can only Act tough amongst themselves . You have bosses that still live at home with there mom and doesnt produce money for his family .
It's not what it was if ur such a know It all give me facts otherwise shut the fuck up and stop Watchin goodfellas . I no made guys that got beat down on 13 ave and the guys who kicked his ass are still walkin . Name me a racket they hve besides sports and shy-

Also I see how the mob big shots preserve there area 18th ave is all Chinese
Mulberry street is a block and full of morons like you ,
Redhook is all yuppies.

Or how could we forget joey sclafani gus boys son marrying a mob wive who's dads a capo and making a spectical out of it by him attending his wedding on the phone

Or hmmm gravanos daughter walkin around with other mob guys kids or whatever and that's ok right? Her dad ratted out all of fuckin ny yea real power

Ciccio I honestly don't think they're as weak as you make them out to be but that's only my opinion nothing more

Hey we are all entitled to our opinion I respect that , but some people think they no and have no idea. And wanna judge me that's messed up
I respect everyone's opinion .

I'll PM ya

First, I follow the mob so I don't come on this board and make uninformed statements. Second, it's frustrating that you make these statements and then expect me to provide the info that you should have been familiar with from the start. Third, considering how uninformed you apparently are about the Italian mob, I expect you're not in much of a position to comment on the "balls and money" of other OC groups.

Regardless of you dismissing things like sports betting, that racket brings in millions upon millions for the mob. I don't know, maybe it's not exotic enough for you. But look at the gambling cases in recent years involving guys like Anthony Giovaniello, Ralph Perna, Carmen Cicalese, Nick Corozzo, Carl Palo, John DeFroscia, Nicky Santora, Joseph Fafone, Carmine Sciandra, Anthony Croce, Michael Palmaccio, Joseph Stentella, Vincent Romano, Joe Sarcinella, Pepe LaScala, Dean DePreta, Vinny Basciano Jr, and Richard Crossan to see why it's the #1 money maker for the mob.

"What you see is a whole change on how they’re earning and how they’re creating power," Robert Buccino, a veteran New Jersey organized crime expert and longtime chief of detectives for the Union County Prosecutor’s Office, says of the mob. "It seems like any big money making is all about internet gambling now. It’s changed."

Big time scams? Read about the $12 million case involving Nicky Scarfo Jr and First Plus Financial. Or the Gambino timeshare telemarketing scheme in Florida. Or Dominick Devito's multi-million dollar real estate scheme. Or Vinny Artuso's multi-million telemarketing and real estate scheme. Or the $20 million pump and dump stock scam involving guys from the three smaller NY families like Joseph Baudanza, John Baudanza, and Ronald Giallanzo.

Drugs? The Trucchio crew alone brought in tens of millions of dollars in cocaine, marijuana, and ecstasy from the late 1990's to 2010. Read about the two tons of marijuana smuggled into the country by an operation that included Bonanno associates John Venizelos and Alessandro Taloni. Or a similar marijuana smuggling operation, involving Vinny Basciano and Nicholas Pisciotti, that brought in over $18 million worth of marijuana up to 2004. Read about Joseph Zaffuto and the million dollar oxycodone ring.

Unions? Read about the Genovese and Colombo families and the Operating Engineers Union. Read about the Genovese family and the Carpenters Union and Journeyman & Allied Trades Union. Read about the Genovese and Gambinos and a dozen ILA locals in New York, New Jersey, and Florida. Read about Matty Ianniello and IBT Local 1181. The Fazios and the United Food & Commercial Workers Union. The Gambinos still holding sway over IBT Local 282's benefit funds. Read about the Genovese extorting dock workers in Jersey or the Gambinos extorting trucking companies. Read about the Carmine Franco case involving the mob and the garbage business in parts of New York and New Jersey. Or Matty Ianniello and the garbage business in Connecticut.

Legit or quasi-legit businesses? In September 2005, it was reported that, over a decade from 1995 to 2005, numerous LCN-connected contractors, who had been previously banned from receiving state contracts, had received $1.2 billion on over 100 public contracts. In December 2005, it was reported that approximately trucking and carting 12 companies with LCN ties in New York and New Jersey had received over $74 million of the $458 million in contracts involved in the World Trade Center clean up. In January 2010, it was reported that at least 7 construction firms with LCN ties, banned by the city, were paid $51.6 million between 2006 and 2009 to work on the Met's new Citi Field stadium. Read about the contracts received by such mobbed up companies as Laquila, Schiavone, Scalamandre, Worth, etc.

In short, get back to me when you've actually did some in depth research on today's mob rather than just going by the occasional news article.

I think you made your point Ivy. It appears that Ciccio67 is the complete opposite of a fanboy. He hates his home team.

In conclusion, whenever extreme love or extreme hatred is involved, there is no credibility because the opinions are based soley on illogical emotion.

I'm not sure where he's coming from other than he seems to be disappointed in what he thinks he's found. He wants the Mafia to be powerful, which increases his interest, but has the mistaken idea that the mob (even in New York) is weak and helpless.

I'm assuming your a young aspiring wiseguy. You can make money tax-free especially when your a huge non profit with not enough oversight that you brush shoulders with operator's on different levels at different institutions. Some people think small others push it to the limit.

You actually believe , that these gambling businesses bring in
20 mill 30 mill a year or a week or whatever they claim ,
Ok you the pro at reading online , so ill give. You home work
Touchdownbets.com it involves Pete inzerillo and joe lanni, let me no how much
They were making a "year ". And also ivy instead of telling me about people you read online. - let me no about , steve arena in the west side ,
Pat Marsala , Dominic cefalu, - I'm not knocking the mob it's just you named alot of old cases besides Alphonse's case. As of 2013 that shit is all dead .
The pernas got followed to a ceremony when on or 2 of the perna kids got made .
It's all over you guys don't understand . You can't even smoke on a construction job anymore you think they have the mob involved, yea maybe shaking down roach coach trucks for 200 a week.

i have to agree with much of what ciccio is saying

1993 you had acting bosses underbosses consigs. carmine sessa, scarpa casso,lil al, plus a couple soldiers all telling that yr the feds gave out more time then any other yr. 20yrs later the train still moving no bodies like then people are making money again. no as much as before but there hasn't been any capo's or higher flipping in the last 3 yrs.