Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Look there should be no national law that institutes gay marriage it should be left up to the states. However, there should not be laws "in the defense of marriage" or hindering and excluding gays. What Russia is doing is extremely disturbing to me not only because it's prejudiced but it's a sign that the country is being oppressed even more by that thug Vladimir Putin who masquerades as a politician and President. Fucking scumbag


If anything, it's a sign that he's a populist. You may argue that Russia is 'undemocratic', but on this specific issue, I'm sure that Putin has the support of majority of Russians. You have to understand that Eastern Europe (ex-'communist' states) has a bit different mentality from the rest of the West when it comes to social issues such as this LGBT 'rights movement'/ideology. People here are more cynical about political correctness and all kinds of 'rights' movements. Even the leftists are often hostile to some of these trends becuase many of them are nostalgic about the former socialist authoritarian systems which were to some extent socially conservative on some issues, at least compared to today's (marxist) left. Those 'old school' commie regimes would never allow any manifestation of pro-LGBT movements back in those days. Anyone participating in such subversive political activities would be beaten by the police.

Anyway, in Eastern Europe, whenever the public is given the power to decide about issues such as gay marriage and adoption, the majority is against it. You had a referendum about it last year in Slovenia about the new family law which wanted to extend rights for gay community but it was rejected - and Slovenia is one of the most leftist EE countries. This year in Croatia, more than 700,000 people signed petition for anti-gay marriage referendum (the country has a total population of around 5 million) and 2 years ago the gay pride parade in Split was aborted because of violent protests. In Belgrade, they never even had such parade and in the last few years they more or less stopped trying becuase it would cause an outrage. In Montenegro you had riots just few weeks ago. In Budapest too (few years ago). And let's not even start about Poland, they're like the most Catholic country in Europe. Just to give you some examples. Russia is no exception and that's just how people feel about these issues. This law was actually a democratic move from Putin in the true meaning of the word. Putin's rule is democratic in some bonapartist sense.

Last edited by Slava; 08/07/13 02:30 PM.