Giancarlo i don't think being the 9th or 10th greatest HW is an insult earlier, i was responding to sgwaue saying he was top 5 no doubt.

I've also always said Marciano was highly overrated too, i've actually said so on this site before. Rocky's biggest wins were against a washed up Louis,Walcott,Moore and Charles. He also should've lost the decision against Ronald La Starza, and was champ in probably the weakest ever HW division.

Fighters i think were definitely better than the both of them:

1.Ali
2.Louis
3.Holmes
4.Foreman
5.Holyfield
6.Liston
7.Lewis
8.Tyson
9.Jack Johnson

I also think arguments could me mad for Ezzard Charles and Floyd Patterson. The fighter i find really hard to rank is Jack Dempsey, because it's well know he avoided the top black fighters especially Sam Langford.