I'm sorry but you are way off. And it's all opinion. We differ. We could argue forever. But like you said, it has nothing to do with this thread and you are right. So let's just drop this.

Yeah most of us live in a thing called reality.

I'm sure your life isn't exactly going the way that you want it to which is why you feel the need to argue and that's perfectly fine. But let's just drop this. You have your opinion and I have mine.

Now, back to the topic please. I'm sure you guys don't want to see this thread closed for going off topic.

You want it dropped because you have faultly premise which you cant scientifically support and because someone disagrees with you, you want to take your ball and go home.

So using your premise, if an Irish couple adopted a black child at birth, he is then Irish because he was raised in that culture, is that what you saying.

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying actually. He would be considered Irish in my book. And no. There's no fallacy in my argument. I stick to my point. I'm just tired of arguing because its just one persons opinion against another's. This argument is not going to get anywhere and it's pointless. If anything there must be fallacy in your argument if you have to insult someone in the mist of a conversation.

And another thing, "Joey Dice"? Really? Let me guess you're one of the thousands of people who fantasizes about being in the mafia. I hate it when I see people romanticize about that stuff. Makes me sick. At the end of the day they give a bad name to italian Americans. I understand why they do what they do but that doesn't mean I respect it.

Insult you, when did I insult you. Disagreeing with you is insulting you. Okay whatever, sounds to be your adopted and your just trying to justify how you think regardless of the truth.

Ya thats its LOL, of course your on the same site so whats your reason. LOL.

Being raised by a race different than yours in no way makes you that race. You may act like that race since you were raised with them but doesn't make you that race.

Or perhaps you could, like obomma have all birth records disapear

I think one must define "race" first. To me there is a difference between race and ethnicity. I wouldn't consider being Italian a race (to refer to the original point of this thread).

Again, you don't walk on water. Your opinions aren't fact. When you said "well most of us live in reality", that's an insult. "Regardless of the truth", when you talk like that you just come off as arrogant. Not insulting you or anything, I'm just saying that you have an opinion and I have one. And for your info, no I am not adopted. I can see why you might think that based on my stance in this convo, but I know people who were adopted. I have family who was adopted. You have to be in that position to judge which you obviously aren't. Sorry but in my opinion you are WRONG. Just like in your opinion I am WRONG.

I am 100% italian. Does that mean that all of my family actually traces back there? No. Thousands of people were raped in southern Italy by Norman's, Moors, and others in that area. Many people in my family look middle eastern, Indian, or Hispanic. Many people in my family have African features. Myself included somewhat. Would a DNA test say whether or not my ancestors were one of the people raped? No. That's why a DNA test is pointless when trying to determine our ancestry.

Big boy, I really do think that Obama did falsify his records. I mean Hawaii?! Seriously? I just don't believe he was born here but there's nothing we can do about it. And there's no way we can prove it. So it is what it is.

Go to Italy and try telling them you're 100% Italian. You're born in america, you're american.

I joined because I am interested in it. Always have been. I've never romanticized about crime and I never will. People don't understand how many innocent people are hurt because of the mafia. I guarantee that everyone on this site did not join this because they wish they were in the mafia.

Yeah I agree I should've used ethnicity since that's what Italian is but I was just saying race not specific to Italian.

Guess what? You're 100% right lol. I call myself american before italian. I am American cultured not italian. I am american cultured with a strong sense of italian culture. The italian culture is getting a lot more Americanized in America. My parents would be considered more italian than American but my generation is pretty much just 100% American like you said.

Well that was easy. I was all prepared for a brawl. Glad we see eye to eye on this. I'm tired of fighting.

Lol same! But yeah I'm proud to be an American. I feel my country is the best out there.

What part of New Jersey are you from Carmela

Central.

What place exactly? I have a brother in law who lives there. I'm from Jersey City originally but moved to the sunshine state. It was nice living in the NYC metropolitan area but I like it down here much much more.

Hold on. Stay right there. I'll be right back with my home address, phone number, and why not..I'll even throw in my SS# for shits and giggles.

Lol I just meant city. If you don't want to that's fine I understand. My brother in law lives in bernardsville. You live anywhere near there?

There is no such thing as "Italian blood". Italians were never an ethnicity, they're a political nation created in 19th century, their identity is based on Italian language (Italian dialects) and geography (Italy was a geographic term since antiquity). That the entire peninsula speaks Italian language is a result of Romans subjecting other ethnicities in the region who spoke different languages and had different origin (for example Greeks in the south in "Magna Graecia", Etrusci in the north), then during the Roman empire Italy was even more ethnically ("racially") mixed as a lot of different ethnicities from all over the empire came to Rome. After the empire collapsed even more newcomers came; there were all kinds of invasions, from Arabs to Normans and other Germanic tribes. You also had big Jewish and Albanian minorities living in Italy for centuries.

So what would be Italian blood here? There was no real ethnogenesis of Italian people, they were formed as a nation in 19th century when culturally and 'racially' diverse people of Italy became a united political nation, not much different from USA.

Italians are white. I don't think anyone's disputing that. When people talk about being Italian, it's meant they are of Italian heritage.

Try on any Italian with any of that Moor/Black shit and you're getting popped in the nose. No 2 ways about it.

All "whites" have some black DNA. Some ethnic groups have a higher percentage than others. Depends on how strict you want to define a certain group or race.

It basically comes down to we are all one race. The human race.