Yes i know but does anyone think they would be medically diagnosed as psycopats, socipats or something else like thay would have Antisocial personality disorder?

Psycopaths forsure. Had they grew up elsewhere than new york city, they would of been just straight up serial killers. It seems money came second after killing with these guys.

One more thing I like how at the end of the book Demeo talks about how he saw Senter at some bar sometime in 89 a few months before he was given life, walked up to him and asked him how he was doing in a sarcastic tone and Senter didn't say nothing to him. I find it hard to beleive that Senter didn't stick a fork in his eye, I mean the twins had to of known their days were numbered why not go out with style, I don't know why I have a hard on for Demeo but Its hard for me to like the guy. Had Nino told the twins to specifically kill him im sur they would done it right before having a big dinner.

Joey, buy mostly Senter ran him off the road and gave him a bit of a beating. They were after the stash of "Tagging" tools and fake tags so that they could continue on with the stolen car scam they had been running. They thought Roy had hidden the phony VIN tags in his home

Full-blown psychopaths aren't really functional, and could hardly be expected to run a racket.

Perosnally, I do not think DeMeo suffered from any mental illness. He just liked to kill people, but that doesn't make him insane, just means he got to do what the vast majority of people never get to do, that's all.

Same for the Twins. Although their coke habit certainly would have reduced their inhibitions.

Neither Roy DeMeo or the Gemini Twins would classified as insane under the legal definition.

Psycopaths are functional, the thing with them is they don't feel empathy, not that they like killing, no empathy equals not givimg a fuck about anyone you kill.

I don't feel empathy for the bums I see lying in the gutter, but that doesn't make me a psychopath, does it? I mean are soldiers psychopaths? They kill, some more than DeMeo, and probably do so without a shred of empathy either, but you don't hear people calling them insane or psychotic.

But im sure if someone asked you to kill your best friend you wouldn't no because killing is wrong, but because thats your friend. Now if you didn't have any emotional attachment to anyone, and in a profession where you were told to kill a.k.a. the demeo crew, you would be liable to kill anyone in your path or you were told to kill. People that have corporate jobs and are psychopaths, sociopaths, they don't kill anyone because its not standard business practice, but im sure if fucking their best friend over would advance them in the company they would do it with no second thought. Before my point that I made is forgotten, I stated that psychopaths are functional. But not feeling empathy for someone you dont know is normal, but im sure if that bum was bleeding dying on the road you would help me and feel some sense of sorrow, youre taking my point and making it to broad.

and the soliders are trained not to give a fuck for lack of better terms.

The supposed character traits of psychopaths, as defined by the DSM, are so broad to begin with that practically anyone could be labeled a psychopath for being too full of themselves or for not having excessive emotional attachments.

My point is that it's all so much bunk. I mean The Chin had conned/bribed shrinks into thinking/testifying as to his mental unfitness, had he not?

As for soldiers, I do not believe they are "trained" not to care. Rather they are "born" soldiers. Just like some people are born, that is have an instinctual proclivity, for a certain vocation. In the case of DeMeo and his crew, I think it's safe to say that they were born mobsters, as are, I'm sure, countless others. But unlike the vast majority of people born with the "mobster" gene, they, being favored by chance, had the perfect opportunity to act out on impulses that would otherwise have to be sublimated. That's if you buy into that Freudian psychobabble.

Im not big into Freud and beleive me I hate psycology majors. And you are right im sure 90 percent of mobsters would of killed just as much as the crew if it called for it, the dismembering part is what always gets me though, not only is it probably a horrid smell when doing it, but the fact of dismembering someone is something I cant wrap my mind around. My views on it have changed since I have seen so many Mexican cartel beheading/dismembering videos. And when you actually see it, you got to think that for people to do that all willy nilly like the Demeo crew you got to think that on top of being mobsters, their had to of have a few screws loose with them.

Roy was the real psycho, Anthony, Joey and Chris were just his minions who saw Roy as some sort of father figure and did whatever he wanted them to do. They killed people in such way because Roy told them to and gave them confidence that he knows what he's doing and that these murders won't be noticed by the LE. I think Roy deliberately recruited young punks so that he could train them into anything he wanted and create his personal little army of 'psychos'. Without Roy they would be just some random street punks. After Roy died they didn't do anything special. If they were really serial killers they would probably kill random people in jail and we would here about them.

IMO Roy is the only really 'fascinating' person from that crew, it was basically him who "created" the twins and Chris - he recruited and schooled them, they were his "project". He started all those rackets the crew was involved in and made a ton of money. It was his decision that the crew would operate in this way and others blindly followed him.

What about Borelli, he kind of seems to be overlooked even though he was present for just as many if not more murders. It seems he kind of just was their, and did whatever he was told. He went to jail in '82 and has been there since, but I wonder if the twins would of done away with him like they did Richie Dinome.

As for Albert DeMeo, the problem with his book is that IMO he's full od moral duplicity. In some way, he recognizes that what his father was doing was wrong but on the other hand he wants glamorize "the life" and his father, even if he doesn't do it directly. He boasts about what he himself did and that he was partly involved in crew's business (suppose it's true, which I personally don't believe). I find it unfair that he attacks Capeci for writting that book but he fails to give a single example where Capeci is 'lying' about DeMeo crew activities and murders. He just tries to discredit the book because Capeci didn't "know" Roy as much as he did and that his source was Montiglio who was supposedly a drug addict. He looks down on his coworkers and other people fascinated with Mob and "murder machine" but he's not much better than them selling his father's ties on the internet and his father's legacy in general.

His story about him defying the twins was surely BS too. Anyway, he mentions that the twins filled the crew with many new guys after Roy died. Does anyone here know who these people were, I mean is there any known post-1983 DeMeo crew associate who was close to the twins? From what I understand the crew continued to operate even after Roy's death.

From what I read Borelli seemed to be smarter than the twins. I read somewhere that he didn't stomach the dismembering of the bodies and that he wanted to be a cop and even passed some police entrance exam. Because of that he could never become a made guy. I guess he didn't have the same psycho reputation and/or stayed low key.

Yeah I know Montiglio stated that he didn't like working with Henry because Henry was too laid back, kind of moved at his own pace.

Henry is often overlooked, he was regarded as Roy's best shooter.
Though he made a mistake when he asked Roy for permission to kill Chris.
Henry was pissed that after the Andrei Katz murder when he and Joey went to jail, Chris never provided his (Henrys) family with any money.
I assume Anthony cared for Joey's family?
Henry wanted to clip Chris but Roy went berserk as you might imagine.
Also, After Chris's eventual death, Joey became Roy's number 2 man. Henry didn't get the job because he used to hang with Dom in bars and Roy didn't want Henry telling Dom things incase he passed them on to Nino.

Borelli got screwed, he took that plea in 82 cause roy made hum, he got convicted in 86, and they gave him life plus 150, 15 each for ten counts of car theft. he got the life sentences overturned but still had 150 , had he gotten just one 15 year sentence he would of been out in the 90's.

Henry has actually been eligible for parole since 1996 but has never applied because he knows he'll never get it!

I wonder where he went wrong......

Well to be fair, although never actually convicted of murder it is safe to say he DID commit murder.
I don't suppose he'll ever want to be released.
He's older than the Twins, wont recognise his old neighbourhood, wont have any money.....

Their lucky he got him 150 years or else he would of been out still fairly young.

Demeo crew fates...

Roy-murdered
Dracula-missing since 1983, presumed murdered
Chris-killed by crew
Twins-jail
Henry-jail
Freddie-commited suicide
Richie-murdered
Vito-flipped and later killed whilst robbing a store
Danny Grillo-murdered by crew

What ever happened to Peter Lafroscia or Vito's boyfriend Joey-lee?

Who whacked Dracula?

Also, Montiglio seemed to like working with Borelli. At least they were both in on the protection racket together.

the twins most likley, and montiglio did say that borelli had a laid back attitude and was always late to meetings.

Borelli and Montiglio were closer in age weren't they?

That story Montiglio tells in Dark Visions about shaking down the bar/club owners with Borelli was pretty funny too.

yeah borelli is older by a couple years i think, and is their anywhere i can find dark visions?

I got my copy from the director. Try getting in touch with him maybe?

Something else I was wondering about, why was Gaspipe picked to kill DeMeo and not someone within the Gambino Family?