sicily was under arab rule wich came from north-africa and spain was also conquered by the arabs but they came from north-africa and those guys where mixed black and white. and there was a time that the carthaginian empire ruled sicily.

sicily (not south italy as a whole) was under arabs and byzantines very little compared to spanish so it's logic spaniard had the most impact by far there

Thats it. And like PB said, they're all culturally Italian anyway..

Have you never seen one of those shows like "Who Do You Think You Are?" and such.

In it, it basically takes someone who swears black and blue they are "English, through and through" or whatever ethnicity, and after conducting genealogical tests, often show that the person who considered him or herself "(a particular ethnicity) through and through" are in reality descended from a number of different places/peoples.

My point is that ethnography can be a tricky thing, and just because a certain name has certain regional roots, does not definitely mean that people named as such did not migrate and move around the country/world at times.

And splitting hairs now, the fact that the generic "swarthiness" of Southern Italians is considered by some to have come from the Moorish influence, it could be arguable that "spaniard had the most influence by far", since Southern Spain was once also a bastion of the Moors. Ipso facto, the Moors could arguably be considered to have had more of an "impact".

Theres a kind of logic behind the somewhat racist saying "Africa starts south of Rome"

I echo George De Stefano's opinion; for me, thats where Italy starts.

so according to your logic the moors had impact in south america because south spain was under arabs for a little while?
it has not any sense
when south italy was under spain (1300s-1700s) it was among the most powerful countries in the world and it had no any moors impact at that time
spaniards had the most impact in south italy, culture, behaviour etc... tons of local words come from spain and according to a ndrangheta legend the three major mafias were formed by three spanish riders in 1300s

Jeez. People...

Actually, Greeks colonized (populated) southern Italy in very large numbers, about the same time Celtic tribes were colonizing the northeast end of the boot. Coastal cities like Naples, Reggio, and Syracuse were considered Greek cities. They viewed it as the "new world", much the way europeans viewed America in the early 20th century. As far as mixing, I think you meant the Normans/French or Spanish? A little OT, but interesting to know the history.

if im not wrong the moors ruled almost spain and portugal entirely for 3 centuries(from 700 till 1000) and after that it went downhill until mid 1400 when they where finaly defeated by the spanish.

@yigido

your talking about the arab tribes that conquered sicily they looked like they was black but they weren't black, like the berbers and moors they weren't black. the pictures of Jesus you see is not the real description Jesus even really looked like a moor or berber.

Mickey i'm not sure if that show your referring to is what i'm thinking of but i remember a couple years ago a bunch of celebs gave up samples of their DNA to be tested and one of them was Larry David. His results came back that he was 37% American Indian. When they told him he thought they were just joking around but they weren't and according to the tests He is 37% American Indian. He thought or assumed he was 100% european.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-smolenyak-smolenyak/playing-with-dna-is-larry_b_402795.html

That was the George Lopez show about Larry David being 37% Native American its probably something else and Native Americans are part of the Mongoloid race so are asians, he is probably not native american but mixed with some mongoloid asiatic race the invading tribes like the huns for example.

The Hungarians have alot of the huns people in them and thats why it was named Hungary.

Makes sense, Botz. According to Larry, his family came from Eastern Europe. So I guess Hungary is a possibility .

You're aware that those tests have almost zero scientific basis right? Alongside its various other failings, it often confuses Asian/Native American heritage with Caucasian genes...But David is Jewish anyway, so difficult to say 100% European anyway.

Well to tell you the truth i really don't. I have no idea how it works and so forth. I have read there are much more advanced dna testing for genealogy now but i really don't know the details about it.

I havn't caught much of the American versions but its the exact same concept. Thanks for the Huff post link.




The show is what it is, entertainment. But as for 'almost zero scientific basis", between genealogical studies and strontium tests that established ancient migratory patterns and help determine continental origins to a certain extent, they actually do pretty well these days. Im not saying there's no failings in the science as of yet, but to say it has zero basis in science is a bit far. I mean, its not like they're just looking at the guy and going "Hmm...this guy looks kinda native american-y".

New Orleans has albanians down there to matter of fact the southern italians that came to new orleans are descended from the albanians (Arbreshe). Italians came to New Orleans first I think and that is where American Cosa Nostra was founded in New Orleans. In New Orleans there was the Mafia-Camorra war like there was in New York.

i don't know where italians in new orleans came from, i bet mostly sicilians but i don't think from arberesh villages
there are two small arberesh villages in sicily only, piana degli albanesi and santa cristina gela
arberesh can't even be accepted in the mafia since they are not roman catholic

Mostly from the Palermo Province. The ones from Contessa Entellina still meet every once in a while. There is still a society in New Orleans... link to their history.

mostly from monreale i think like the matranga's and provenzano's

Joseph Ardizzone guy that founded the Los Angeles crime family has albanian descendents (Arbreshe).

I would consider Arbreshe now italian because they have been in italy long a long time and some italians/sicilians have partial arbreshe peoples in them.

joe ardizzone had some arbresh descent on mather side only, that's because he was in the mafia
100% arberesh can't be accepted since they are not roman catholic

In America the mobsters don't mind this as long the person has an italian last name and there people came from italy its fine.

it's not true, all the made members come from south italy and at the beginning of 1900s only sicilians were accepted since the mafia was a branch of sicilians

right i have a friend from new york talking to me about this himself he said he couldn't get made cause he was of northern stock. but these days I would think to be accepted in this life your people would just have to come from italy.

In America the Italians that are of Arbereshe descent these days can they be made in a crime family in America?

From what I can tell, in the early days, what region of Italy a guy's ancestors came from may have held some weight. That's when the rivalries between Sicilian, Neapolitin, Calabrian, etc. were more apparent. But fast forward a few generations, when Italians have become assimilated in the mainstream American culture, as well one type of Italian marrying another type of Italian, and I don't think it matters anymore. If a guy is well connected enough, a good earner, etc. he stands a good chance of getting made as long as his last name is of Italian descent - hence him having some Italian blood.

The point being, if somebody is of Arbereshe descent, he probably also has some Italian blood along the way as well so it probably wouldn't make much difference as long as the other criteria above are met.

arbereshe if they are catholic yes but most of them are not so they cant they usually makes the greek-byzantine rite
but if they are catholic yes they are totally italians for centuries its like to to make a man coz it has spanish ancestors in 1400

So much misinformation here. the Arbereshe are catholics. and many of them still speak Albanian. they are not 100% Italians. I have seen documentaries of them and they still speak albanian, they have had major impact on Albanian history and independence, even creating alphabets. although they have italian accents. and Joseph Ardizzone was from piana degli albanesi. he was Albanian, and he founded one of the first American crime families. so how can you call someone who founded this stuff as foreigner? as the guy said, only sicilians were accepted first. Johnny dioguardi was also arbereshe, probably related to Arbereshe politician Joseph Dioguardi.

the matranga family were arbereshe and the cuccia family too.

and in italy you had Francesco cuccia in piana degli albanesi at the time of the origin of sicilian mafia, and the mob originated in sicily... you also had several others. and there is an albanian writer who is known to of sided with them.

if you don't believe me read about arbereshe, and see for yourself... luca matranga (Albanian-arbereshe writer) although lived hundreds of years before, is probably related to matranga crime family, cuccia... these surnames are not italian, and the fact that they are from piana degli albanesi. although allot of albanians have latinized names.. especially early albanians that fled from ottoman empire. before ottoman occupation we were like italians. you can even see these in the arbereshe surnames... very latin sounding. and also the roman empire was in the balkans and had major impact.

and some guy here said there are no arbereshe in naples, arbereshe were soldiers for the kingdom of naples, of course they settled there.

And there are several of greek origin, or maybe arbereshe (arvanite) like guiseppe greco. because the arvanite also came from greece and settled in italy.. they first lived in greece in peloponesse and thessaly.

Chin was Italiano
I have a subscription to gangland news and I can't find this supposed article anywhere, not the archives anywhere

Sounds like a troller