Respectfully disagree on Chicago. It's going to be like Buffalo and Detroit before long. Cosa Nostra in the USA will likely be a New York thing in 20 years (plus maybe NY family operatives in New Jersey, Florida, and other places like that).

As for the thing about all the new members in New York being junkies - that's likely references to new members being hooked on pain pills, which apparently is reaching epidemic proportions in Staten Island, Long Island, and other places in the area.

20 year? I have said it many times, they didnt emerge in 20 years. They wont be gone in 20 years, i am talking about NY families. Outside i can agree with a lifespan of 20 years for Philly, New Jersey etc.

I didn't mean the New York families will be gone in 20 years; all I said was that Chicago will be nonviable in 20 years.The New York mob will probably be around in one form or another a hundred years from now.

Chicago has the advantage of having had only 1 rat, they are very cautious..I think that the Colombos are likely to disappear..

not so sure if they will dissapear in the near future. even a family with that many problems still has the advantage of being smack in the middle of the mafia's holy city, new york, and with still over a hundred members attrition wont effect them nearly as much as any family outside new york. with that said its always possible that some of the better earners and stand up guys (if there are any left) that are out on the street might be absorbed into the other families if they are stripped naked before any important meetings:)

Chicago will disappear way before the Colombos will.

Yep. And, for the record, Chicago has had more than one rat. It's just only one guy out of that group was a made guy. And that's probably due to the unique situation of making guys in Chicago. What's left of the Chicago mob is relatively disciplined and secretive, as it's been for decades. They've avoided getting heavily into the drug trade. They've cut way down on the murders and assaults that bring more pressure from law enforcement. But what will bring about their demise before that of the Colombo family, despite all it's chaos, is general attrition. In short, Chicago doesn't have the manpower to outlast any of the NY families.

Here's a book on Denver. I happened upon it at my local library a year ago or so. Pretty good.

http://www.amazon.com/Smaldone-Untold-Story-American-Family/dp/1555917186

Detroit, Chicago, New England.

I'd say that in that order too. Buffalo's gone. Though they did control a union all the way up to 1996. LA's been defunct since 1998.

What I find amusing is that some of those who play up this "Chicago only has one made rat" thing also make a big deal out of how powerful and high-ranking unmade associates in Chicago are.



Still, as I have said before I strongly suspect it's less a matter of them being disciplined and secretive, and more a matter of them not doing much.



I agree that New England seems to be more "alive" than Chicago and will probably last a bit longer.

Though historically Ivan, and still up to recently with Frank 'The German' associates have always gotten a lot of respect in The Outfit, where as in New York they're shit on.

Yes, I know, but what I meant was that some people will say what you are saying, and then act like it's not a big deal when an associate flips, because they aren't made. Does not compute.

I googled it and couldn't find any hits ona book. Do u know the title and release date? Publisher?

I believe it´s the Milwaukee book you are referring to.

I believe the book is in its final stages and will be released in March or April this year.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1008651197/milwaukee-mafia-book

It's true Chicago has had more than 1 rat.. thank you Ivy for the correction!!

christopher "christy tick" furnari was convicted rapist. he was consig. supposedly tommy desimone attempted to rape karen hill those are the luchesses rapists i can think of. im sure there is many more in the mob.

Wow, okay I'm new to this site, but I have to say, the ignorance when it comes to the mighty Chicago Outfit is absolutely laughable. You people really haven't the slightest clue...It's quite astounding, really.

The Chicago Outfit is & always has been second to the Gambino Family in the United States, and it always will be.

What do you expect by writing this in your first post around here?

You mean, calling things like I see them? I don't like to play games/play around, if you've got some legit facts, wonderful. If not, don't waste people's time.

I feel a new Outfit war is coming. Word on the street is IvyLeague is sharping his knives, again.

Actually I could not have said this any better.

And calling things like you see them and calling things like they are, are two different things. But just to be nice to you click on these links:


https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=813129

Only bosses sat on the Commission.

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=1444530

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=1447572

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=1413259

And this is from a special FBI report regarding the Chicago outfit:

"LEADERSHIP (Chicago "family")

The organizational structure of the Chicago
"family" as it is known today was brought about primarily throus
the efforts of ANTHONY JOSEPH ACCARDO who served as boss of
the Chicago "Family" for approximately 10 years
In 1956 or 1957 SAMUEL A GIANCANA succeeded
ACCARDO as boss and continues in this capacity at the
present time. It is noted that GIANCANA was incarcerated
on June 1 1965 for contempt of court and was released from
this incarceration on May 31 1966 at which time he voluntarily
fled the country and currently remains outside of the US."

But since you live in Chicago and therfore know better than the rest of us, I guess all these reports must be wrong.

Hi Nicholas,

Not all together true in regards to NY "shitting all over associates." Google Joe "The German" Watts, who was one of the most influential associates of the Gambino Crime Family and a very wealthy man. He was recently sentenced to 13 years in Federal prison.

wow don't know where your getting your facts at but boy are the wrong! and since when are the gambinos #1?

Thanks so much for the link Ivy-I just ordered the book and am looking forward to reading it.

If you are interested in any of the following cities, here are some great books on lesser known crime families and figures:

1. Lonely Fighter by Andrew Susce- Book about the IRS pursuit of John LaRocca from Pittsburgh.

2. The Silent Don by Scott Deitch- Book on Santo Trafficante

3. The Mafia and the Machine by Frank Hayde- Story on the Kansas City Mafia

Here is the most recent update on the mafia in Detroit.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/06/24/organized-crime-in-detroit-forgotten-but-not-gone/

New England will last longer? no they wont. New england mob has only 8 made guys left on the street, how many does chicago have out? I know that the amount of guys you have in your family doesnt depend on how powerful the family is but 8 active made men is worrying. Chicago will be active for another 30 40 years min

New England have about 50 made members.

pretty sure that you are confused. maybe 8 guys in providence but certainly way more than that when you take boston and other surronding areas into consideration.

That article was posted here last year and started quite a debate. I think it's a bit overblown myself, although some 19 year old kid from Detroit will probably post that the Detroit family has actually gone "underground" and is stronger than ever.

I don't see it. I'd put them just ahead of families like Buffalo and Tampa. Another generation of Italian American assimiliation and it's all over for them, too.

yeh i might be confused actually. yeh im sorry :L but heres a thing about chicago http://www.laborers.org/ChicagoMag_Moblite_12_00.htm