I've never heard that the Outfit made more or less than any other family, though they did start late. I forget when, but well after the glory days.

I don't know the last known making ceremony either, it has been the subject of debate on here. The last "known" one, in terms of when someone flipped and talked about it, was probably decades ago.

The 30 number here seems about right to me, though. And IvyLeague and a few other people. Of course other people claim it's far more.

But one thing I will say is, most of the guys on the list have been arrested multiple times. Look at people like Mike Sarno, Rudy Fratto, DiFronzo, Solly D, and on on and on--all have lengthy rap sheets.

So for you to believe there is far more "made" guys you almost have to believe in two separate Outfits--one the one we know about composed of a bunch of (apparently) clods who can't keep from getting indicted--and another one that exists in almost total secrecy and expert criminal stealth.

For the record, here is my list -- along with the precise (or general) ages of the members. I'm working on a chart with recent pictures of these guys.

Official Boss – Giacamo “Black Jack” Tocco (85) – semi-retired
Acting Boss – Jack “The Kid/The Bathrobe” Giacalone (63)
Underboss – Joseph “Joe Hooks” Mirable (late-70s)
Consigliere – Dominic “Uncle Dom” Bommarito (late-70s)
Street Boss – Peter “Blackie/Specs” Tocco (67)
Counselor Emeritus – Antonino “Tony the Exterminator” Ruggirello, Jr. (78)

Captains:
Anthony “Chicago Tony” La Piana (mid-70s)
Anthony “Tony Pal/The Butterfly” Palazzola (73)
Joseph “Joey Jack” Giacalone (74)
David “Davey the Doughnut/Ace” Aceto (55) – took over Bommarito's old crew
(Acting) Paul “Big Paulie” Corrado (54) – under Peter “Blackie/Specs” Tocco

Active Made Members:
Vincent “Vinnie Giac” Giacalone (47)
Peter “The Baby Bull” Corrado (53)
Peter “Fat Pete” Corrado (56)
Paul “Cousin Paulie/The Fixer” Corrado (50)
Dominic “Chicago Dom” Corrado (42)
Anthony “Nino/Tony the Scientist” Corrado (56)
Joe Tocco (late-60s)
Anthony “Nino/Smitty” Tocco (late-60s)
Salvatore “Mops” Tocco (65)
Gerard DeMichele (54)
Antonio “Toto” Ruggirello (77)
Giuseppe “Joe the Hood” D’Anna (60)
Girolamo “Mimo” D’Anna (49)
Isodoro “Teddy San Diego” Matranga (65)
Eugene “Genie Boy” Baratta (mid-50s)
Robert “Bobby the Animal” La Puma (75)

Inactive Made Members:
Paul Tocco (mid-80s) – retired
Daniel “The Trigger” Triglia (71) – retired
Francesco “Frankie The Bomb” Bommarito (83) – shelved in 2012 for fighting with Jackie
Anthony “Tony Z” Zerilli (86) – shelved in 2008 over the Gamtax bust

TOTAL MEMBERSHIP: 31

It should also be noted that a great deal of people on Scott's list are quite young (many in their 30s or early-40s). Eventually, some of them will get made.

No offense to you or your chart, but in almost every discusssion about detroit charts that people come up with, the words "overly heirarchal" just about always come up. I mean you have just about as many people ranked captain or above as there are active soldiers.

Is Teddy Matranga really a made guy with Detroit? I always thought he was associated with Chicago or LA

20-25, maybe even 30, is believable if we're talking total members.



Correct. Regardless of exactly when the Outfit started using the ceremony, once they did, there was no difference in what constituted a made guy.

16. The FBI defines a "made member" as a person who has participated in a formalized ceremony and has the right to share in the profits of the Chicago Outfit. A made member has the right to run his own street crew; to make loans known as "juice loans"; to extort "street tax" from local businesses and from gamblers and bookmakers; and to otherwise take control of gambling and bookmaking in his area. A made members is also entitled to the respect of other made members.

http://www.ipsn.org/orourke_affidavit.php



Yeah, seems like too many chiefs and not enough Indians. In larger and more active families, like New England and Philadelphia, we don't see this kind of hierarchical structure anymore. Things have become much more fluid in these smaller families, with the relatively small amount of members active on the street at any given time. What are the chances Detroit needs that many top guys or captains? Perhaps these guys held those positions at one time but I'd be surprised if they all actually function in that capacity now.

I don't know. There seems to be a steady stream of gambling cases out of Detroit, including the ones below over the last few years. Which, by the way, I've never found any mob-ties to (though the May 2012 one seems most likely).


July 2010
http://sports.insidebet.com/news/detroit-lawyer-and-two-businessman-charged-in-betting-ring/

July 2011
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/07/06/two-face-charges-in-flint-video-poker-bust/

May 2012
http://www.macombdaily.com/article/MD/20060821/NEWS01/308219998

June 2013
http://www.legalonlinegamblingsites.com/...s-michigan.html

That Nettie's case is absolutely facinating -- I seriously CANNOT believe that flew over me. Thank you very much for that. I was just talking about that place to a member on the BH forum a few months ago. It was only open for about two years.

I just searched up their resulting convictions -- both pled guilty to a single count of conspiracy to conduct a gambling operation. Not sure if that's a 1-year misdemeanor or 5-year felony. Both recieved two years of probation. Also, their case information says they were convicted in 2007. Strange.

Surprised it was prosecuted so severely -- since the 10-year gambling operations charge is usually reserved for large-scale stuff. Like I said, most people charged with gambling-related offenses over here are treated very lightly, especially the card games. Usually charged as 93-day or 1-year misdemeanors.

As for so many capos (5), it shouldn't seem too strange. There is 2-6 made members per crew, and that hasn't been too uncommon for small families. That 90's DeCavalcante FBI chart depicts the family as having 8 or 9 captains, IIRC, which would imply that a few of them must have had only two or three made men in their crews. The Detroit Family in 1996 was the same size as it is today -- ~ 30 members -- and there was 5 captains (Anthony Corrado, Jackie Giacalone, Vito Giacalone, Tony Pal, and Vincent Meli). Anthony Giacalone was the SB at the time, but the 1996 indictment states that he was a capo.

Mind you, the 1996 indictment regards Tony Tocco and Tony Zerilli as capos, which would, of course, be incorrect. In the indictment, it claims that underneath the "boss" was a set of captains (it does not give any reference to a consigliere OR a UB). Meanwhile, to the press, the feds have always asserted that Zerilli was the UB and Tony Tocco was the consigliere. After nearly a half-century of talk, the Detroit FBI was finally able to prove to a jury that a formally-structured crime family existed in the area. I guess they didn't want to burden themselves with proving that certain individuals held very specific positions.

nice thread. glad to see respectful and knowledgable posters contributing...

are those young associates/made guys stated by Scott releted to the main 2/3 blood lines?

I don't have a RD account, could anyone post them inflated chart on here? Just for the heck of it.

A lot of people have college degrees that shouldn't. Look at the NBA or the NFL...half those monkeys can't even read or write. College educations don't give you street smarts...NONE of the Giacolone kids have degrees.

Chicago is just more shrewd with who they make. Very rarely does someone who doesn't deserve the status become a made man (a la Mike Magnafichi).

I don't think anyone is arguing about the number of made men in the Outfit. The number of associates is the key in understanding how the Outfit operates. It's all about having guys that aren't on the books getting their hands dirty.

I was always under the assumption that the Outfit's definition of "made" was held to a higher standard than other families, hence their low numbers. I think if they made guys of the same quality and at the same rate as the New York families they would have around 40-50 made guys. Even at the height of their power they didn't seem to have membership rolls proportional to their family's strength.

Right, it's always been about having a low number of guys on the books, and an immense number of associates doing leg work. Associates are also given much more power here, as an incentive to possibly become made one day (highly unlikely) and because they put so much on the line.

I'd love to know more about that. Anyone with some intel?

Now, based on the more accurate numbers...what can these guys really be involved in?

Anything & everything?

The outer Detroit area is massive.

All those guys live in the eastern burbs.

How far their arms stretch these days... obviously up for debate.

gambling, loans are a no brainer.

But is that enough to keep them interested in keeping the whole boat afloat?

They had been fighting over Vito Giac's rackets (and legitimate endeavors) since Vito's death in early '12. Eventually, from what I understand, it all went too far and Jackie shelved Frankie. Frankie became the captain of Vito's crew when he went to prison after the Gamtax case, and they were VERY close friends. Historically speaking, it does seem like Jackie's a greedy guy, so none of this should be a surprise.

As for their operations, like I said before: mostly bookmaking, shylocking, and extortion. Of course, individual members are into some other crimes, but it's mostly the standard rackets.

IMO, I think the only thing they're involved in is making meatballs and cooking pasta on Sundays.

thanks Macomb.

One more thing: what's the use of "street boss" and "counselor emeritus" ranks since that they already have acting boss, underboss and consigliere?


Oh come on now...

Detroit is in the same sinking ship as the chicago outfit, they are both gonna be dead in the next couple of years

As official boss, Jack Tocco is still entitled to call shots and collect tribute money. However, I don't think Tocco has been involved in any sort of racket in quite a few years. Jackie Giacalone has been running everything for quite a while now, and based on Tocco's age and health, Giacalone will become the sole boss of the family very soon. He's been groomed to be the leader for decades now.

The family's had a street boss since Zerilli's era, and it was originally Anthony Giacalone. All of the captains had to report to him. It's simply just another layer of insolation for the administration. Upon his death, his son took over that position. Now, it's Peter Tocco, but he also runs his own crew (Paulie Corrado is allegedly the acting capo). Tocco just recently got discharged from supervised release (he served a few years from the '06 gambling bust), and I'm guessing he's not trying to go back in. He's another one with health issues, despite his age of 67.

Detroit, Philadelphia, Jersey, & New England are all very similar. Not much Going on & not much on the horizon.

You have no idea what you're talking about

Dont take everything so personally nicky

I think Detroit is going to hang around for awhile , it's literally in their blood , doubt you'll ever see a parole violation with this bunch lol

They aren't big or very powerful but they seem to be a tight well
Run group focused on core rackets of gambling and sharking where there is still plenty
Of money to he made . The violence isn't there anymore and they don't have the earnings
Diversity you find in NY and NJ but there seems to still be a viable structure and good
$ can still be made in those rackets . I think they hang on for a good while

Yeah, they don't make the type of dough that NY does but they have a small, tight-knit group of guys that run some bookmaking and loan sharking with some card games and shit like that on the side. A lot of these guys have legitimate income and the mob stuff is only used to supplement that. They don't get greedy or stupid and stay away from stuff like labor racketeering/corruption and drugs.

As it stands, Detroit has bigger problems than worrying about the Partnership and their small-time rackets right now.

Even with that relatively "higher standard," the 25-30 made members and a little over 100 associates shows the Outfit has about the same amount of manpower as New England or Philadelphia. It's not like they've chosen to only make a small amount of guys but still have hundreds or thousands of other guys available. Don't discount general attrition, which has affected Chicago like everyone else.

Macomb Guy, I agree with your list. It seems more on point. Scott's a great writer but he is making them seem if not bigger than the same size as Chicago and New England, which can't be right at all.

For the record, this is what the structure looked like around the time of the 1996 Gamtax bust.

Boss – Giacamo “Black Jack” Tocco
Underboss – Anthony “Tony Z” Zerilli
Consigliere – Anthony “Tawncy” Tocco
Street Boss – Anthony “Tony Giac” Giacalone

Capo – Vito “Billy Giac” Giacalone
Capo – Jack “Jackie The Kid / The Bathrobe” Giacalone
Capo – Vincent “Little Vince” Meli
Capo – Anthony “The Bull” Corrado
Acting Capo – Anthony “Tony Pal/The Butterfly” Palazzola (acting for long-time captain Vitale, who was on his deathbed)

Soldiers:
Nove Tocco
Joe Tocco
Paul Tocco
Anthony “Nino/Smitty” Tocco
Salvatore “Mops” Tocco
Peter “Blackie/Specs” Tocco
Dominic “Uncle Dom” Bommarito
Francesco “Frankie The Bomb” Bommarito
Carlo Bommarito
Anthony “Fat Tony” Giacalone, Jr.
Joseph “Joey Giac” Giacalone
Paul “Big Paulie” Corrado
Paul “Cousin Paulie/The Fixer” Corrado
Joseph “Joe Hooks” Mirable
Robert “Bobby the Animal” La Puma
Anthony “Chicago Tony” La Piana
Antonio “Toto” Ruggirello
Joseph “Jo Jo” Ruggirello
Antonino “Tony the Exterminator” Ruggirello, Jr.
Isodoro “Teddy San Diego” Matranga
Daniel “The Trigger” Triglia
Frank “Frankie The Ch**k” Versaci
Michael “Big Mike” Polizzi
Peter Vitale

I agree with JCB i am sure there are some bookmaking going on etc. but anyone who really believes this Scott Bernstein is buying into the hype. Sure There are people committing crimes. As there are in every city in America. But you really believe Jack TOcco is running the town I have some land for sale in Tennessee.