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Re: The Bronx today
[Re: NickyEyes1]
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09/12/13 05:11 PM
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I like you a lot, Nicky. You're a respectful kid. But I swear, sometimes I think you just won't be happy unless you hear that the immigration laws have changed, and that the Bronx and Brooklyn and East Harlem look like they did fifty years ago, when the areas were loaded with Italians.
There are still a couple clubs on the far east end of Westchester Avenue. QD still holds court over by the Pelham Bay train station and Stevie still has his headquarters not too far from there. But these places just aren't hangouts anymore. The numbers stores are pretty much all gone, the social clubs are pretty much all gone, and most of the heavy guys live in the suburbs. Hell, other than Patsy's place, which is a legitimate restaurant (and a very good one), you can't even find them on Arthur Avenue anymore. And if that doesn't tell you everything you need to know, then you'll never get it.
They're still around, they're still earning, and they're gonna be around for a long time because people will always want to gamble and borrow money. But don't look for the old Goodfellas and Donnie Brasco type hangouts to ever pop up in the Bronx again. It's never going to happen because it brings too much heat. End of story.
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Re: The Bronx today
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I operate in the Bronx, its New York. You're from the Bronx? What part?
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Re: The Bronx today
[Re: pizzaboy]
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09/12/13 05:18 PM
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I operate in the Bronx, its New York. You're from the Bronx? What part? I'm not from The Bronx, I just said I operate out there.
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Re: The Bronx today
[Re: NickyEyes1]
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09/12/13 07:04 PM
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So PB is it for the most part only Genovese and Luchesse in the Bronx today? Basicaly Nicky, there's a small Gambino contingent but its real spread out, and a teeny bit of Bonnano guys left around, Btw Glad to see you back PB it's been a while I hope all is well!
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Re: The Bronx today
[Re: NickyEyes1]
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09/17/13 01:55 PM
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Manhattan is the least Italian borough Luan, as I said the Eastern Bronx as well as Woodlawn nd Riverdalle are still largely white and ethnic but its still in flux, the rest is some of the worst ghettos in New York City it's a diverse place, it hasn't yet been gentrified like large areas of Manhattan and parts of Brooklyn, also the Genovese are based out of the Bronx but allot of there guys live in Westchester County which is just north of the Boogie Down and whoms ethnic Italian population is over 20 percent, comparable to a slightly more diverse Staten Island
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Re: The Bronx today
[Re: LuanKuci]
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09/17/13 03:45 PM
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ironically the genovese are the strongest family this side of the ocean and yet their based in the least italian borough. How do you figure that, LK? Manhattan is, by far, the least Italian borough today; and the Westside powerbase is firmly in the Bronx and Westchester. Although I guess I get your point. The Italian population here in the Bronx is dwindling, and yet both the Westside and the Luccheses are firmly entrenched here. So if that's the paradox you were referring to, I tend to agree with you. Manhattan is the least Italian borough Luan, as I said the Eastern Bronx as well as Woodlawn nd Riverdalle are still largely white and ethnic but its still in flux, Oops, it looks like Tony the Kid beat me to the punch about Manhattan being the least Italian borough. Re Woodlawn: Woodlawn is remarkable, Tony. It's the only neighborhood in the Bronx that hasn't changed at all during my lifetime. If anything, it's even more Irish today than it was thirty or forty years ago. The 10470 zip code is still something like 90 percent non-hispanic white. I'm not posting that out of any kind of bigotry, I'm just stating a fact that you can easily look up in the 2010 census. Everyone here knows that I'm Italian American, so just know that I say this with awe, not as a criticism: The Irish are too thick headed to succumb to White Flight. If you think I'm exaggerating, just take a ride up to Katonah Avenue, near the Yonkers line. The neighborhood looks exactly the same today as it did when I was a kid. Some of the bars from back then are even still in business, and I'm almost 54 years old. It's remarkable (and inspiring) that at least one of the old European immigrant groups has hung on to a neighborhood like that.
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Re: The Bronx today
[Re: pizzaboy]
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09/17/13 04:18 PM
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[quote=LuanKuci] Everyone here knows that I'm Italian American, so just know that I say this with awe, not as a criticism: The Irish are too thick headed to succumb to White Flight. If you think I'm exaggerating, just take a ride up to Katonah Avenue, near the Yonkers line. The neighborhood looks exactly the same today as it did when I was a kid. Some of the bars from back then are even still in business, and I'm almost 54 years old. It's remarkable (and inspiring) that at least one of the old European immigrant groups has hung on to a neighborhood like that. That's interesting because it is the exact same situation here in Chicago with a neighborhood called Canaryville. It is really, really an aberration, with no explanation for its existence except what you mention: Absolute stubbornness. It's on the South Side and is full of 5,000 Irish roughnecks virtually unchanged for a century and a half while most of the neighborhoods around it have changed drmatically. What a lot of the posters who like to romanticize the mob pretend inner city "Italian" neighborhoods with far less than 10 percent Italians in them still are, Canaryville actually is: A white ethnic neighborhood that has in a sense just been frozen in time. Very odd, and funny it's the same in NY.
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Re: The Bronx today
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09/17/13 04:26 PM
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Everyone here knows that I'm Italian American, so just know that I say this with awe, not as a criticism: The Irish are too thick headed to succumb to White Flight. If you think I'm exaggerating, just take a ride up to Katonah Avenue, near the Yonkers line. The neighborhood looks exactly the same today as it did when I was a kid. Some of the bars from back then are even still in business, and I'm almost 54 years old. It's remarkable (and inspiring) that at least one of the old European immigrant groups has hung on to a neighborhood like that. That's interesting because it is the exact same situation here in Chicago with a neighborhood called Canaryville. It is really, really an aberration, with no explanation for its existence except what you mention: Absolute stubbornness. It's on the South Side and is full of 5,000 Irish roughnecks virtually unchanged for a century and a half while most of the neighborhoods around it have changed drmatically. What a lot of the posters who like to romanticize the mob pretend inner city "Italian" neighborhoods with far less than 10 percent Italians in them still are, Canaryville actually is: A white ethnic neighborhood that has in a sense just been frozen in time. Very odd, and funny it's the same in NY. Interesting, Jonny. And that's the word I was looking for when describing Woodlawn: It's an aberration. And yeah, it's a stubbornness that I actually admire the Irish for having. Because let's be honest, when the neighborhoods started to turn Black and Latino, the Italians were the first to run to the suburbs (here in New York, anyway). But like a always say, Italian Americans gentrifying is a good thing. It means we're moving up in the world. But still, you do get sentimental for the old neighborhoods at times. And it's all the more reason to respect the Irish for hanging on to a neighborhood or two  .
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Re: The Bronx today
[Re: jonnynonos]
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09/17/13 07:51 PM
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[quote=LuanKuci] Everyone here knows that I'm Italian American, so just know that I say this with awe, not as a criticism: The Irish are too thick headed to succumb to White Flight. If you think I'm exaggerating, just take a ride up to Katonah Avenue, near the Yonkers line. The neighborhood looks exactly the same today as it did when I was a kid. Some of the bars from back then are even still in business, and I'm almost 54 years old. It's remarkable (and inspiring) that at least one of the old European immigrant groups has hung on to a neighborhood like that. That's interesting because it is the exact same situation here in Chicago with a neighborhood called Canaryville. It is really, really an aberration, with no explanation for its existence except what you mention: Absolute stubbornness. It's on the South Side and is full of 5,000 Irish roughnecks virtually unchanged for a century and a half while most of the neighborhoods around it have changed drmatically. What a lot of the posters who like to romanticize the mob pretend inner city "Italian" neighborhoods with far less than 10 percent Italians in them still are, Canaryville actually is: A white ethnic neighborhood that has in a sense just been frozen in time. Very odd, and funny it's the same in NY. somebody in canaryville is gonna beat the wrong person up on some drunk shit then get the whole neighborhood shot the fuck up this new generation ain't smart enough to just stay outta canaryville
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Re: The Bronx today
[Re: NickyEyes1]
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09/18/13 11:08 AM
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But in terms of this discussion, PizzaBoy was talking about what I presume to be a hardcore inner-city neighborhood that has against all odds remained almost entirely Irish.
Mt. Greenwood and Beverly are extremely far from the city center. I don't know NY that well but I would imagine that would be equivalent to a really far-off neighborhood in Queens or Staten Island, almost out of the city.
Canaryville is not only far closer to the city center, it's surrounded by Bronzeville (or more accurately Fuller Park, then what used to be the Robert Taylor homes, then Bronzeville, but they are more or less the same these days) on one side and Back of the Yards, which is essentially a war zone, on the other. Yet it carries on, undeterred.
I wouldn't describe the existence of Mt. Greenwood or Beverly as really *that* surprising, but I think by any measure the fact that Canaryville is still essentially unchanged is extremely surprising.
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