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How close are the Cartels with the Mafia?
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09/27/13 06:16 PM
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I know that the Ndrangheta are especially close to them, but what about the other three italian mafia groups? When i say cartels i mean both mexican and colombian. Also do clans in canada and austrailia have direct contact with them. Also what about the American families? Do They deal with the cartels from time to time?
Also whats the key differences between the cartels and mafias? It seems that the mobs are more secretive and control the state whilst the cartels are violent as hell and are more of an anti state, is that right ?
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Re: How close are the Cartels with the Mafia?
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The Rizzutos reportedly have had direct contacts with the South Americans since the 1970s. In the 1970s-1980s, New York families seemed to deal through Cuban or Colombian middle-men operating in Florida more than the cartels themselves, though in that period they certainly had links. Can't say much over what's going on today other than the Mexican Cartels can rely on American street gangs to move product and don't have much use for the American mafia.
When talking about American families, it would be true to say they are less confrontational with the police and operate "under the radar" with cooperation with corrupt officials.
Sicilians have proven that they will go up against the state with violence if they are forced too, though they prefer to work with corrupt officials and be a "state within a state".
The cartels will do anything they have to get want they want, if corruption doesn't work (and it often does), they will chop your head off or blow you up in the street if they feel it will get what they want and they can get away with it. It doesn't matter if you're the president of a country or a street thug. It doesn't have to do with being "anti-state" or "controlling the state"; it's just different means to the same end: criminals getting what what they want. Something that doesn't work for one organization might work for another somewhere else.
For example, the cartels will move against latin amercian politicians and judges because they can get away with it. If they killed an American or Canadian politician or judge the heat they'd get would get would outweigh the benefits, that's why they hold back on the violence north of the Rio Grande.
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Re: How close are the Cartels with the Mafia?
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To me, the main difference between the cartels and the mob are their interaction with civilians.
The mob makes money from civilians via extortion, loan sharking, and gambling.
The cartels are focused on moving large amounts of drugs, so they don't need to interact with the civilians in a business relationship. They are dependent on the civilians in their town to keep their whereabouts quiet, so they tend not to prey on the local community. Many high level cartel members are wanted by the Mexican government and are living openly in towns where they have the support of the people and the local law enforcement.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: How close are the Cartels with the Mafia?
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In terms of working relationships, the cartel (Mexican) has members on both sides of border. Unlike mobsters and tatted up Mexican gangbangers, the cartel guys don't look like your stereotypical criminals and blend in easily. They'll work with the Mexican American gangs before the mafia, although they are not the same organizations. But they share a common language and to an extent, culture.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: How close are the Cartels with the Mafia?
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Thanks for all the replies guys, they were a great help. The part about IOC being more integrated into the legit side of society seems very true. Thanks once again for your time.
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