It depends on the point of view. To me, they are no better than murderers. Morality and the sense of compassion for the abandoned children matter very much to me, more than THIS kind of "rights". Freedom is a good concept, but when people are free to do really EVERYTHING WITHOUT EXCEPTION, society will disappear.

So a child is not a person with a right to live no matter what?

Since when? What law mandates this? Parents could stop being parents. They aren't murderers for abandoning their children.

Your argument for saying not being viable is the same as a person who needs medical assistance is simply false. The very big difference is that you don't make anyone take care of them. Those who do, do it voluntarily with love, or professionally with pays and benefits. Both can walk out any time they wish.

Until Faithful and Schmo are banned forever I am not posting in this section.

Regarding what a person does to themselves in privacy doesn't wash either. Take for example a mentally disturbed person cuts off her own hand, or nose. Is she going to be left alone because of her privacy rights? I let you answer that one.

Abortion clearly is not what a person does to herself, it's what's being done to her, at her choice, by a healthcare professional. Are trying to say that women wanting abortion are mentally disrupted? Wow. Are those who refuse to give body part to their children are mentally disrupted as well? It's their obvious right.

Of course all living beings have a right to life. However, that right should not be forced on others. If you be the only one who can give body parts to your dying child and save him/her, and if you choose not to do so, are you a murderer? I don't think so. It's your body. You legally are not required to do so. That's a person. Its life depends on you. Still you don't have to save it.

Actually, I only meant that for me abortion is murder. I didn't mean that not donating body parts is murder, I was only talking about killing unborn children (or abandoning those already born, but that was another question), not about organ donation.

You didn't answer it, because you don't want to show the hypocrisy of your argument. My question is clear. Should there be laws that mandates parents to donate body parts to their children in need of a transplant? If you choose not to do so, have you murdered your child? Should this matter be presented to public and not just IRS that doesn't picket outside hospital?

You went over why you think Roe is a bad case. I never said I agree with you.

When you assume things you make an ass of yourself. Don't assume to know what my thoughts or motivations are. I wrote why I didn't answer you the first time and that was why. A law to mandate that parents give their body parts when their children are in need of a transplant shows a total lack of understanding of genetics. Children have both sets of DNA -- one from each parent. A single parent may not be a match for any given organ, plus there are registries available. Parents may also need those organs so they can work to make the money that pays for the child's care, so not donating does not imply neglect or abuse. Some organs one cannot live without. A parent cannot donate his/her heart/brain/liver/etc and still live. It would be suicide, and would leave the child without a parent.

Your question is a non-sequitur, and to answer "No" (as I do), is not an example of hypocrisy but of logical thinking and a knowledge of reality. I'll add that if a parent refuses to donate an organ to their child (for whatever reason), it is not a case of the active taking of a human life. There is no intention of ending the human life. In the case of abortion there is an active deliberate taking of a human life. If you refuse to give your child your liver you are not trying to kill your child, but if you skin your child alive or chop it to pieces (as abortion does), then you are actively and deliberately murdering your child. BIG DIFFERENCE.

On Roe, did you mean you never said you DIDN'T agree with me?

This thread is a perfect example of how low this board has gone

This thread is a perfect example of how low this board has gone

And why is that, Don Marco? Please enlighten us.

This thread has an interesting title. However, belatedly, this is the first time I've surfed here. How did it evolve into a thread about abortion?

Allow me to enlighten you. There was once a time when the members here could engage in civilized debates without insulting one another. Now, it is impossible to disagree with someone without making a personal attack against them. There is no respect between board members anymore.

Half of you are damned lucky that I don't moderate these boards.