Geez, DT. If you didn't want me to enter this thread, all you had to do was say so .

She has a book out called "Infidel." Thought you may have heard of her.

Somebody earlier mentioned the matter of Christianity on the slide in Europe. I read in a paper yesterday that a survey of 11 year old kids in the UK and over 50% of them had heard of Jesus but did not know who he was. This is worrying of course!! Maybe all the kids in the survey were Muslims?

Come on yogi, you're a great guy, funny as hell and you always lighten the mood. But I think this is a real issue here. The primary reason is that I love the Brits. I life the culture- everything from John Lennon, Winston Churchill, Monty python, John Cleese, mick jagger, right down to Kate Middleton and the baby

Most Muslims in Europe in time will assimilate. But there are plenty who probably don't want to and many more who would like to see their way of life replace yours. By that I mean sharia, and that's not good for anyone

Christians have an important place in Europe's founding and building. They made Europe into a group of great nations. Anyone saying otherwise can then explain why so many Muslims are cramming into Europe from Musim nations, instead of other way around? They sneak in by the boatloads, or by overstaying tourist visas. They keep fleeing Muslim countires for Christian Europe. If they reach large enough numbers in 20 years, they will start to rule, They will then turn it into the same mess they created in Syria and other Arab countires, same as most of Africa, and same as parts of Asia.

Unlikely. Got any facts to back this up?

Just all of recorded history and the news. You know it's truth, and are only looking to be a pain and incite other posters. It's only thing you do on here, day after day.

Meanwhile, in France, immigrants from Africa are treating native French with all the respect in the world. Here, one of a group of grown men asks girl for phone number.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb5XsxtbqFQ

Just watching that sh!t makes me want to find a rope and a tree. [To hang yourself? Keep your racist shit off the boards! --JG]

(And any liberal on this board who has a problem with me saying that can kiss my @ss.)

Cut the racist shit. I'm NOT a liberal and DO have a problem with that comment (as well as the video) -- as should everyone in the human race. Disgusting and embarrassing!

I didn't see Ivy's original post; Geoffy edited it before I got a chance to look at it. And I guess the rope and tree remark can be taken as racist because of the history of lynching black people in this country, so I'm not defending him. But you know what else?

The guy who punched that girl, black or fucking white, should die, and I don't care what the fuck his "socio-economic" reasons for hitting her are. So don't go telling me that growing up poor and black drove him to do it. And if she was my daughter, and I was there, we wouldn't be having this conversation. That piece of human garbage would no longer be of this earth. And yeah, I'd really do it and worry about the consequences later.

How anyone can watch that video and not be enraged is beyond me (and I'm not talking about Geoffy or the mods; they're only doing their jobs here).

The racist tried to talk about BABOONS and how they should be brought back to Africa... something like that.

Despicable!

I'm not trying to hide anything -- just from ppl who hadn't yet seen the monstrosity of a human being who calls himself Ivy... the despicable racist who thinks he's smart and can handle things... like Fredo....

Oh will you quit your tired, PC nonsense? Monstrosity of a human being? Exaggerate much?

You're the type of person who's more offended by me calling that piece of shit a baboon than him smacking that girl.

That video should enraged all real men with daughters.

Forgive him, father, he knows not what he does.

Ivy - I don't know a lot, I was kept pretty much in the dark.

J. Geoff - Thats all right, we have time. What can you tell me about your posts.

Ivy - I ran into Michelle Bachman in Beverly Hills. She said you were getting tough on the message boards and there would be something in it for me if I brought them down a notch.

J. Geoff - And you believed that story?

Ivy - There was something in it for me. On my own.

J. Geoff - I've always allowed you to post.

Ivy - You're just one person who happened to start this board, and I was passed over.

J. Geoff - That's the way I wanted it.

Ivy - Its not the way I wanted it! I'm smaht, not dumb like everyone says, I'm smaht and I want respect! And what do I get? Ivy, keep your posts in the General Discussion. Ivy, don't bother with commentary on the trilogy or the novels. Ivy go start some mickey mouse thread about minorities somewhere.

J. Geoff - Ivy, you're a poster on these boards, and you can stay one. But I don't want you inthe trilogy, I don't want you in sections about the novels or in word games. If you try to post there I want to know three days in advance so I don't have to look. Now get out.

Ivy - Geoffie??!

(J. Geoff leaves....says to DC

"I don't want anything to happen to him until Mignon dies."

In the meantime DT, someone could take him fishin'.

The guy who hit that girl (actually two guys hit her; a second guy knocked her down) is scum who should be arrested for whatever equivalent to battery they have in that county, and a good beatdown.

But there are historic reasons why we shouldn't address black people as monkeys/baboons/any other type of simian. It's how that name was used to degrade a group of people who were kept as slaves, then later subject to segregation and lynching. Legalized segregation didn't end until less than fifty years ago. Even after the laws were changed it took longer for attitudes to follow. Being sensitive to historic wrongs isn't PC. It's recognizing the fact that a lot of people were mistreated just because of the color of their skin.

Maybe anyone of any color who would hit a girl like that would be a baboon (which, frankly, is an insult to baboons), but then it was followed by how they should be sent back to Africa. That clearly only applies to the same select group we're talking about. A white person doing that would not be sent back to Africa. So you ought to recognize that was a racist statement. Now I don't think a single racist statement makes a person a racist. If a person made racist statements all the time and they honestly reflected how that person thought, then yes, that person would be a racist. Other times maybe we say the wrong thing as an emotional response or because we are influenced by the wrong people. That person should admit it was wrong and own up to it and make an effort not to refer to black people using terms that are wrong for historic abuses of the past. Then let's move on.

As I happened to catch Ivy's post before it was edited, he didn't say the baboons should be sent back to Africa. He said they should be sent back to the jungle.

Good one DT. Just cause I'm turning 50 soon doesn't mean I have one foot in the grave...LOL

I'm not sure that's any better.

That video is despicable, and the guy that slapped that girl deserves a righteous beat down. I doubt he would have done that had her spouse, brother, or father had been around.

That being said, I'm not shocked at all by Ivy's comment. I've always suspected him of being a racist. Now it has been confirmed. Bravo, Ivy. I'm sure your God is proud to have you as a follower.

LOL Mig... I used your name cause of your icon.

I know Dt just giving you a hard time. All is good.

Its not any better, F. and your earlier, longer post is spot on correct. Nobody should tolerate that kind of behavior regardless of who engages in it. People like that need to be removed from society. Period. I dont care what race or religion or whatever.

There are many more similar attacks on the internet, and they are all African Muslims or Arabs in Europe attacking native citizens, not other way around. I don't wish to put up any more because they can drive people crazy. Rightfully so, It's terrible, but I don't wish to see people lose tempers and say something wrong. It does however tie in to the topic of this discussion. What is in that one video is just a small example of what is currently taking place in Europe.

Beisdes the slap, another man did go after the girl and kick her legs out from under her, on right side of the screen.

These godfather quotes are cracking me up

That being said, the animal in that video should be beaten with a crowbar and charged with assault and battery. And that's not because he's black, any man doing something like that should receive no less. My anger knew no bounds when I saw that video.

However ivy, you know I'm not a "liberal" or "white apologist" but that statement was undeniably racist. Your anger was justified but not the remark. What separates the good people from the bad is the ability of the good people not to stoop to levels such as racism or hate. Not saying you're a hateful person, we all make mistakes but it was uncalled for and not needed

There still has to be room for growth, change and forgiveness. None of us is without sin, especially considering that we participate on a board about organized crime! This is a board about people that lie, cheat, steal, extort, bully and murder. Any of those is far worse than someone making a single racist statement. We have to put things into perspective. I'm interested in the study of OC more for history than anything else, but there are people here and on other forums who actually admire the evil things these people do. To me, admiring evil is worse than a single statement directed only to those who assaulted a young woman and not an entire race. I'm not defending the statement, but we do need to realize it wasn't directed against all black people, only to the bullies. Some things shouldn't be tolerated, but in this case no one was hurt, assaulted, or physically attacked. We ought to allow forgiveness for that.

You do realize, of course, that the allegation of being a "racist" coming from a liberal hack like yourself is virtually meaningless. You guys pretty much think all conservatives are racists deep down.

That said, people who are familiar with me and my posts on these forums over the years know I'm not racist. If I was racist, I would have a problem with this guy simply because he is black. And that's not the case.

That was the whole point of my rant, DT. That guy is a piece of garbage. Black, white or green, rich or poor, you do something like that and you deserve your fate.