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Chicago Outfit
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10/28/13 02:37 PM
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mattsto
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Re: Chicago Outfit
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10/29/13 11:46 AM
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LittleMan
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I still often wonder who actually did him in. I think it was Tony "The Ant" Spilotro.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: Chicago Outfit
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10/29/13 11:50 AM
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mattsto
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I don't think the authorities spent much time investigating the crime either. They got rid of a menace which in the end made there jobs easier.
Last edited by mattsto; 10/29/13 12:22 PM.
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Re: Chicago Outfit
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10/29/13 01:19 PM
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LittleMan
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Giancana had gallbladder surgery in Texas ( Dr. Michael DeBakey) and probably could not eat spicy foods. He most likely had heart problems as well. These guys didn't take good care of themselves.
Good point. In addition to a ban on spicy foods, Sam probably had doctor's orders for eliminating fatty meats, cheese, and smoking, also. Like many hedonistic mobsters, Sam probably ignored the doctor. So, I can imagine Giancana cooking up the late night snack for himself.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: Chicago Outfit
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10/29/13 01:27 PM
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GaryMartin
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Here's a fairly good article from 1975.
Sorry, this article won't open. I'll keep trying
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19750621&id=3ztOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Le0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5271,1807055http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19750621&id=3ztOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Le0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5271,1807055
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Re: Chicago Outfit
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10/29/13 03:50 PM
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jonnynonos
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I thought Sam's close ally, Dick Cain, had an intellectual image. Must have been the glasses. I have a book on Cain by his brother; I have just skimmed it. From what I've read he was a very interesting person but probably most of what is said about him is speculation and rumor, in terms of him gaming the CIA/JFK etc. Anyway, he was very smart, he had an IQ of 120, which is very, very bright, but not the genius he liked to tell people he was.
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Re: Chicago Outfit
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10/29/13 04:35 PM
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jonnynonos
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Johnny - I've read several articles about Cain and his ability to play both sides of the fence. I was not aware that he was really smart. I would think that someone with his intelligence might want to think twice about doing "double duty" with The Outfit.
Most of the articles I read were related to Family Secrets. Another name that surfaced, and was supposedly very smart, was Donald Angelini. According to several FBI agents he was also a really nice guy. A couple of the agents said they hated to arrest him because he was so nice. If I remember correctly, he and another fellow named Cortina were gambling experts. Only read a little about the guys.
When I get bored I go back and read more about Family Secrets. I always learn something new. His brother wrote this book called The Tangled Web. Someone gave it to me. I am not interested enough to read the whole thing. But, yeah, I do remember that bit about his IQ being tested at 120. That's well above average and probably enough to get one into MENSA or something like that but I guess he went around telling everyone he was a genius, and that is not nearly "genius." Anyway, yeah, he wasn't smart enough not to end up getting blasted at Rose's Sandwich Shop.
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Re: Chicago Outfit
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10/29/13 04:43 PM
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Johnny - I've read several articles about Cain and his ability to play both sides of the fence. I was not aware that he was really smart. I would think that someone with his intelligence might want to think twice about doing "double duty" with The Outfit.
Most of the articles I read were related to Family Secrets. Another name that surfaced, and was supposedly very smart, was Donald Angelini. According to several FBI agents he was also a really nice guy. A couple of the agents said they hated to arrest him because he was so nice. If I remember correctly, he and another fellow named Cortina were gambling experts. Only read a little about the guys.
When I get bored I go back and read more about Family Secrets. I always learn something new. His brother wrote this book called The Tangled Web. Someone gave it to me. I am not interested enough to read the whole thing. But, yeah, I do remember that bit about his IQ being tested at 120. That's well above average and probably enough to get one into MENSA or something like that but I guess he went around telling everyone he was a genius, and that is not nearly "genius." Anyway, yeah, he wasn't smart enough not to end up getting blasted at Rose's Sandwich Shop. I have read that the killers of Cain apparantly wore one black glove and one white glove. Any thoughts of why the did that? Any symbolism in that? Or is that a bullshit story?
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Re: Chicago Outfit
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10/29/13 05:11 PM
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jonnynonos
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Johnny - I've read several articles about Cain and his ability to play both sides of the fence. I was not aware that he was really smart. I would think that someone with his intelligence might want to think twice about doing "double duty" with The Outfit.
Most of the articles I read were related to Family Secrets. Another name that surfaced, and was supposedly very smart, was Donald Angelini. According to several FBI agents he was also a really nice guy. A couple of the agents said they hated to arrest him because he was so nice. If I remember correctly, he and another fellow named Cortina were gambling experts. Only read a little about the guys.
When I get bored I go back and read more about Family Secrets. I always learn something new. His brother wrote this book called The Tangled Web. Someone gave it to me. I am not interested enough to read the whole thing. But, yeah, I do remember that bit about his IQ being tested at 120. That's well above average and probably enough to get one into MENSA or something like that but I guess he went around telling everyone he was a genius, and that is not nearly "genius." Anyway, yeah, he wasn't smart enough not to end up getting blasted at Rose's Sandwich Shop. I have read that the killers of Cain apparantly wore one black glove and one white glove. Any thoughts of why the did that? Any symbolism in that? Or is that a bullshit story? Never heard that. It's one of those crimes where everyone from Aleman to Lombardo to Shweihs has been fingered. (Who knows, it could have been all of them.) From what I remember 2 guys broke into Rose's Sandwich Shop on near Grand and made everyone in the place line up against the wall, pretending it was a robbery. They were wearing ski masks. They blew Cain away and left. I can't remember the theories as to exactly why. I'll probably get around to reading that book some day. That shop is now another business; I often wonder if the owners know what happened there. It was near the near Spilotro's dad's restaurant on Grand and Ogden.
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Re: Chicago Outfit
[Re: dixiemafia]
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10/29/13 06:35 PM
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GaryMartin
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Yeah, I know what you're saying. My wife had her gall bladder taken out a year ago and she has no problem eating anything. I based what I said on the large number of stories which related his cooking may have been for a friend since he had gall bladder surgery. No way to know for sure. He could have very well been cooking for himself. My wife had her gall bladder taken out and she can still eat anything she wants with no problems. It is just different for different people. I imagine as much sausage and peppers he eat over the years his body could take it.
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