I dont think Im alone when I say that Dick Cheney creamed Edwards in the debate. I have a newfound respect for Cheney and I feel better about my Republican values after having seen Cheney take on Edwards. One point in the debate summed it up pretty easily for me. Cheney brought up how he would be qualified to take over in the event President Bush would be unable to serve anymore. Who would you rather see take the reigns in the event of a tragedy? Cheney or Edwards?

I think Cheney agressively got the administrations point across where Bush failed to, and I now think confidently that after seeing all 4 men debate, the American people realize that the Bush administration should stay in office.

Yeah, Cheney took Edwards to the woodshed. You wouldn't know it though by looking at the msn.com poll-- 76% say Edwards. Honestly, they haven't even seen it.

Those polls aren't worth a hill of beans when it comes to the electorial votes. I also liked that point about Cheny taking over. Am I mistaken when the moderator asked Edwards how they would get countries like France and Germany involved he avoided that question? If I am wrong please tell me.

I think Edwards came off a paranoid lawyer on a few occassions, his eyes gave it away.

Cheney came off as cool, collected, and had an aura of "back the fuck off, asshole. I'll throw whatever you give me right back in your face, and I'll back it up."

Of course the polls say Edwards won. What better way for the liberal media to push Kerry than to steamroll and libel about what actually happened.

I thought it was pretty amusing the way Cheney passed on the 30-second final rebuttal a few times when offered by the moderator...as if to infer that there were times when Edward's ranting didn't even warrant a response.

Great debate...now on Friday, the President had better run with the silver platter boost that Cheney's handed to him.

Here's an article basically saying it all.

http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/diary100604.asp

Apple

I think Chenney did great. It didget annoying at times when Edwards would answer the previous question Chenney got the last word on with the new question's time. Chenney definately speaks better then Bush, and definately won in my opinion.

I think it was best said by Scarborough last night that it was dead even. Edwards definetly won the first half of the debate, but Cheney was stronger in the second half. I thought it was a draw. -Pat

I think you mean Cheney. :p

God forbid I misspell a name.

Someone on one of my other e-lists just posted a hilarious statement....

The Democrats are so full of shit they need two Johns.



Apple

Cheney tore Edwards a new asshole. Like the teacher spanking the young snot nose kid. What did he say about Edwrads record and his home town calling him, what was it Mr. no show.
I for one would be dam scared if something would happen to Kerry to find Edwards at the helm.

So you're saying that Dick tore John a new asshole. Next you'll be saying that Kerry licked ...

That is hilarious Apple. I have to remember that one

A Navy recruiter called yesterday wanting to talk to my 17 year old son. My son told the recruiter to call back after the election cause he does not want to go in if Kerry is elected. I am very proud of my son.

:D Give him a kiss for me, Mig. That's adorable.
(Although the point is to fight for your country, not your president... but still.)

Very true Zia But you want a good commander in chief.

Yep...Cheney got Edwards several time on his Senate record.

Frankly, there were times I was expecting Cheney or the moderator to offer Edwards a lollipop or something ... he looked so cute & eager!

Apple

Or maybe a balloon or a peanut butter and jelly sandwich... :p

Eager, okay... but cute? Please. :rolleyes:

Yeah...sure!!

Cute in a pitiful sort of way though...like you wanted to pat him on the head and say, "Now, move along little fellow, yer mom's probably lookin fer ya...!

Apple

Yeah especially with the mole or whatever that thing is on his lip. :rolleyes: :p

Personally, I think Cheney beat Edwards. But I heard that he gave a lot of false facts... I'm not sure though, so don't jump down my throat please.

Like when Cheney said the US coalition was only 50 % of the casualties in Iraq. :p Edwards had to tell him twice that it was 90 %. -Pat

PLease note this is a answer for a misconception during the debates:

Edwards was wrong, many other troops, British and this country and that country and another country, but most important the new goverment of IRAQI's own troops have been killed. If you would have listen you would have heard Cheney put Edwards down for not giving the Iraqi's goverment credit for how hard they have fought to make their country free and to have a new start and the price that have paided. Edwards did not iclude them in the figures he was using to make the Bush team look bad once again and was caught and corrected slapped byCheney!

So it was Edwards that didn't listen and insulted the New Goverment of Iraqi which Cheney then pointed out once again. Slapping Ewards down once again.

How true Patrick, everytime Edwards said something critical of Cheney and his pet dog Bush, Cheney just denied it. Never giving a statement in return to refute Edwards comments, just a flat, "Oh that's not true". Wow, quite a debate. Somebody gets accused of something and they either just flat out deny it with no facts, or they deliver false facts.

Sounds like a big, stinky pile of republican shit to me.

Edwards was the one who looked like the scared little puppy dog up there. Cheney was more of a pitbull.

You can't bring "respect" back to the U.S. by disrespecting allies NUMEROUS times.
You want to talk about a big pile of B.S. what about Edwards story about his father, he leaves out how his father BOUGHT a mill after he worked at one and then became a consultant for other mills, but he just leaves that one out because he wants everyone to believe he came from some lower middle class hard working family.


I would just like you to answer 1 question for me:

In Kerry's twenty years in the senate please show me prove of one bill that he has passed. What has he done as a politician that makes him a candidate for President.

Please don't give me one of those, anyone but Bush responses.

So when's that Don King vs Al Sharpton debate?

[/QUOTE]Edwards was the one who looked like the scared little puppy dog up there. Cheney was more of a pitbull.

You can't bring "respect" back to the U.S. by disrespecting allies NUMEROUS times.
You want to talk about a big pile of B.S. what about Edwards story about his father, he leaves out how his father BOUGHT a mill after he worked at one and then became a consultant for other mills, but he just leaves that one out because he wants everyone to believe he came from some lower middle class hard working family.


I would just like you to answer 1 question for me:

In Kerry's twenty years in the senate please show me prove of one bill that he has passed. What has he done as a politician that makes him a candidate for President.

Please don't give me one of those, anyone but Bush responses. [/QB][/QUOTE]


~"You can't bring "respect" back to the U.S. by disrespecting allies NUMEROUS times."

Wow, I could not agree with you more, is that why we disrespected our allies like China, France, Germany, India, Mexico, Vatican, South Africa and many others by not doing what they asked in 2003 by having the UN help us solve our problems COMPLETELY and peacefully? No, we just kicked up dirt in their face and rode in guns blazing on steel horses into Iraq.


~"I would just like you to answer 1 question for me:
In Kerry's twenty years in the senate please show me prove of one bill that he has passed. What has he done as a politician that makes him a candidate for President."


No problem, Here is an Article stating many great things Kerry has done in the Senate:


Three-Term Senator Has Stellar Record

October 27, 2002

Human Right Quarterly

By Mark Shields


Kerry: For the Record

Workplace Discrimination:
Co-sponsor of the Employ-ment Non-Discrimination Act, a bill that would ban workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Hate Crimes:
Co-sponsor of a strong hate
crimes prevention measure, the Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act.

HIV/AIDS:
Co-sponsor of the Early Treatment for HIV Act, which would expand Medicaid to people living with HIV, and supports science-based prevention programs.

Gay Civil Rights Bill:
Authored the Senate version of the Civil Rights Amendments Act of 1985,a comprehensive gay civil rights bill that would have covered discrimination in employment, housing and credit.
Born in a military hospital in 1943 to a World War II serviceman and his wife, John Kerry has had a lifelong affiliation with the U.S. military. As a decorated veteran of the Vietnam War, Kerry made a distinctive stand in support of gays in the military during early '90s hearings before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

"I think that any American ought to be able to serve their country if they are physically qualified and able," said the Massachusetts senator in a recent interview with HRC Quarterly. "There were gay people who served in Vietnam. There were gay people who served in World War II, Korea and World War I — and great acts of heroism have been per-formed by people who are gay."

Kerry is among the early front-runners in the bid for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination. A Yale graduate, Kerry was elected lieutenant governor of Massachusetts in 1982. He was elected to the Senate in 1984, and has consistently supported, sometimes at great political peril, civil rights for the gay community.

In addition to his support for gays in the military, he was one of only 14 senators to vote in 1996 against the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA. "I thought it was rank gay bashing; it was pure political exploitation," said Kerry.

Today, Kerry supports the idea that gay and lesbian relationships should enjoy rights and privileges equivalent to those of marriage. "I'm for civil union and partnership — and I would make sure that every federal entity works to make those provisions available," he said.

Kerry says his record over the years on a range of issues sets him apart from other candidates. In 1985, he authored the Senate version of the gay civil rights bill — a measure that, if passed, would have covered discrimination in employment, housing and credit. His average score on the Human Rights Campaign's congressional scorecard, begun in the 101st Congress, is 96 percent — with a perfect score for the last four congresses.

But Kerry has opposed HRC on three measures — an amendment that sought to restrict schools from using materials that "promote homosexuality;" an amendment that sought to levy a $10,000 fine and lengthy prison term on health care providers who know they have HIV and perform medical procedures without telling patients; and an amendment barring the permanent immigration of people who test positive for HIV/AIDS.

Meanwhile, Kerry has strong words about the current administration's policies on HIV/AIDS, which favor abstinence-only programs over scientifically based prevention programs. "It's embarrassing for the United States to have this kind of
zealotry getting in the way of common sense. ... [As president] I'm going to reverse as many of those particular directives as possible, and I'm going to set us on a path of common sense and decency."

"I think that tolerance is what this country is built on," said Kerry. "That's what America is about. That's our journey."


Did I answer your question? Cause I got a few of my own:
1. Where are the weapons of mass destruction???
2. WHERE IS OSAMA!?

Doctor Ferro

Did I answer your question? Cause I got a few of my own:
1. Where are the weapons of mass destruction???
2. WHERE IS OSAMA!?


We have found traces of them. He had years to get rid of them.

The intelligence reports were messed up, because of CLINTON'S Intelligence cuts.

KERRY even said he had Weapons of Mass Destruction.


We are hunting down Osama. You can't expect to just FIND him when he has many hiding places and tons of people protecting him.
HIS Intelligence has to be just as good as the United States.


About the allies: THEY were not in danger, they were not just attacked. The allies that are standing with us are constantly being disrespected by Kerry/Edwards. They refuse to respect the Gov't set up in Iraq right now. They even left off England's name from our allies.

The Polish President is very upset over being disrespected by Kerry during the debates.


can you give me the link to that website where you got the Kerry bills I would like to look at it, thanks.

Your answers to my questions are rediculous. I want to see proof of these things. Period.

Intelligence was messed up? Seemed to work pretty well when on Aug. 6, 2001 bush got a security Breifing that was titled BIN LADEN TO ATTACK AMERICA, and inside it clearly stated he was going to hijack planes and attack us. Yep, it seemed to be working then pretty good!

Of course the allies were not in danger, of course they were not just attacked, NEITHER WERE WE! IRAQ NEVER ATTACKED US! BIN LADEN DID!

Here's a link to Kerry's voting record from and un-biased website. Enjoy.
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S0421103

FS--The Iraqi's dying aren't part of the COALITION casualties. They're part of the war time casualties, but not the coalition. -Pat