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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #748589
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When they were saying there's no violence in these charges and 1 of the prosecutors shot back the threat of violence is always there so basically that eliminates the actual violence,he has a point.It does not sound like Procaccine willingly sold those machines.With the money they were making why would he.Its like Uncle Joe wanted them and there was no negotiating.There was no violence because the fear of violence eliminated that.Thats pretty clear cut and easy to see.

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He said same thing in first trial which the jurors hung on which led to the new trial, what is the makeup of teh jurors?

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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #748636
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Decent video...thanks for posting it Ivy.

Personally i hope these guys start blasting each other all over town. It's been way too quiet around here....kind of boring actually.

Interesting that he said Mazzone could end up the top guy and that Merlino was down south. Made it sound like they think he's not coming back. Which IMHO is the smart decision.

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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: HandsomeStevie] #748639
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Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Mazzones wife is sexy as hell i must say when i first saw her i was like damnnnnn lol. merlinos wife also looks great... ill try to get more pics soon!


Word out here is Stevie's wife left him a while back

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Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
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Mazzones wife is sexy as hell i must say when i first saw her i was like damnnnnn lol. merlinos wife also looks great... ill try to get more pics soon!

Word out here is Stevie's wife left him a while back

Wasn't she a blonde? I remember her from one of those Mob Talk video's they did on Mazzone. I thought she looked pretty good myself.

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I think only 1 son[Joe Jr.] is the electrician,the other one works in the insurance industry [Mark]and then Stephen by his 1st marriage is into film-making or something like that.

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The local electrician's union is one of the bigger unions down here...johnny doc. I got some friends and family in there. I didn't realize his son was in the union. A lot of guys in there do stuff on the side. But a lot of them make legit money. I can't see the videos. I will have to check them out on Fox. Anything new??

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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
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Mazzones wife is sexy as hell i must say when i first saw her i was like damnnnnn lol. merlinos wife also looks great... ill try to get more pics soon!

Word out here is Stevie's wife left him a while back

Wasn't she a blonde? I remember her from one of those Mob Talk video's they did on Mazzone. I thought she looked pretty good myself.


Yes she was a blonde. These broads do die their hair though so who knows

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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20131116_Witness__slip_nearly_derails_Ligambi_mob_trial.html

Witness' slip nearly derails Ligambi mob trial

Jeremy Roebuck
Inquirer Staff Writer

November 15, 2013

An loose-lipped witness nearly derailed the racketeering retrial of Joseph Ligambi during testimony Friday by referencing the government's previous attempt to convict the reputed Philadelphia mob boss.

Defense lawyers called for a mistrial after Joseph Procaccini, the owner of a South Philadelphia video poker machine company, was asked under cross-examination whether he knew of a relationship between Ligambi and mob bookmaker Gary Battaglini.

"I know Gary was convicted in the first trial," Procaccini responded.

A federal jury found Battaglini and two other mob associates guilty of racketeering conspiracy in February but deadlocked on the same charge when it came to Ligambi and his nephew and purported consigliere, George Borgesi. Prior to the start of their retrial last week, U.S. District Judge Eduardo Robreno barred any mention of the previous proceedings before the new jurors.

But rather than let the slipup Friday force yet another trial, Robreno called the panel back after 15 minutes of legal wrangling and instructed members to disregard the reference.

Still, the incident offered jurors their first hints of the four-month, 14-defendant marathon that was Ligambi's first go-round in federal court.

Then, many of the men implicated by witnesses - including Battaglini, mob capo Anthony "Ant" Staino Jr. and underboss Joseph "Mousie" Massimino - sat beside Ligambi and Borgesi at the defense table.

Staino was sentenced to eight years in prison in July, after pleading guilty to three counts of conspiracy and illegal gambling. Massimino received a 15-year sentence after his conviction in February.

This time though, as witness after witness has outlined their dealings with the lower-level mobsters, few have made mention of the two men currently on trial.

Procaccini's testimony, which began Thursday, offered one of the first direct links.

He told jurors Thursday that Staino, Massimino and Ligambi edged him out of the South Philadelphia video poker market in 2001 by forcing him to sell his business. The three made men set up their own company, JMA Video Poker, so the deal would appear legitimate, prosecutors allege.

But what Procaccini viewed as a shakedown, Ligambi saw as just business, said Edwin Jacobs Jr., lawyer for the reputed mob boss. JMA paid Procaccini $3,000 for each of his gambling machines located at bars, laundromats and bodegas around South Philadelphia.

Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi, 50, deny any involvement in the illegal gambling, loan-sharking and bookmaking operations of their mob fellows and have repeatedly disputed prosecutors' characterization of them as men who muscled their way through business with threats of violence.

And as testimony continued Friday with a slew of bar flies, shopkeepers, and nightspot owners - all of whom said they housed JMA gambling machines in their businesses - even the convicted mobsters at times, came off as gentlemen.

Rhoda Burke, a 54-year-old barmaid, took the stand late in the afternoon and recalled her interactions with Staino, who came by her South Philadelphia watering hole twice a month to collect her poker machine's earnings.

"He was a very nice man," she said. "He used to bring baskets of fruit at Christmastime. He treated us very well."

Testimony is scheduled to resume Monday.

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Somebody explain this to me,you mean ''allegedley''none of these jurors know about the first trial.Were they all out of the country at the same time,or when they are getting ready to be picked for the jury does everyone just go on their word when they say they never heard of these guys or the first trial.If I wanted to get out of work and just do something different I'd say whatever they wanted me to say to sit on the jury.The other part about Staino being a nice guy,why wouldn't he be.He's collecting money with no problems.

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Ages, citizenships, in school, unable to be located, out of state, who knows...

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SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2013

Nap Time At The Mob Trial
By Ralph Cipriano
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At the mob trial on a slow Friday afternoon, only a dozen spectators showed up to watch a bad rerun.

Most were students who stopped by briefly and left.

The afternoon's witnesses included two subdued bar owners who testified about illegal gambling in South Philly, and a state trooper who raided 22 South Philly businesses and confiscated a bunch of Dodge City video poker machines.

At the defense table, a dapper "Uncle Joe" Ligambi, alleged boss of the Philadelphia mob, passed a note to his nephew, George Borgesi, and Borgesi's lawyer, Christopher Warren.

Georgie Boy smirked behind his glasses; Warren laughed.

Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi, 50, are on trial for racketeering conspiracy. It's a leftover charge from a broader racketeering case that ended in February when both defendants acquitted of most of the charges against them.

Only a couple of veteran trial watchers bothered to stop by to catch the rerun. One gave the show a bad review.

"How can you have a mob trial with no murders, no violence, and no money," said Walter, before returning to his seat.

Worse yet, there were no mobsters in the cheap seats, or mobster wives or relatives around to provide some local color. The media had also taken a holiday.

How much worse can it get for the local mob if they put the godfather on trial and it's so dull nobody cares?

Up on the witness stand, Rhoda Burke was talking about her Dodge City poker machine at Coley's Lounge, at Third and Porter.

She explained how she only paid off the people she knew who were lucky enough to win money on her machines. A stranger might turn out to be an undercover officer.

"It was against the law, and you knew that? the prosecutor asked.

"Yes," she said.

The guys who owned the poker machine stopped by once a week to "square up" with the owner, reimbursing her for the winnings she paid out.

About her machines, "You don't always win," she said. Usually, "you lose."

The government has alleged that Ligambi and a few pals named "Ant" and "Mousie" muscled in on the guys who used to own the video poker machines, and took over the business. Ligambi clams it was just a legitimate business deal they couldn't refuse.

Burke said she collected between $200 and $300 a month from her poker machine.

"That helped me pay my utility bills," she said.

In recent years, the machines were owned by mobster Anthony Staino, doing 97 months on racketeering and extortion charges from the last mob trial.

"He was a very nice man," Burke said of Staino. "He was very nice to me."

Staino, according to the government, was partners with Ligambi and mob underboss Joseph "Mousie" Massimino in JMA, a company formed in 2001 to rent video poker machines to bars and restaurants.

Mousie is doing 188 months after being convicted of racketeering conspiracy.

The video poker machine Staino left behind is still at Coley's, making money.

"I still have it," she said. She did not mention whether she reports those earnings to the IRS.

On cross-examination, Ed Jacobs, on behalf of Ligambi, pointed out that Burke was still in business at Coley's, and so was her poker machine, because nobody in the government cares about punishing anybody except mobsters.

"You're not in the slammer?" he asked.

No, she said.

And the government can take her machine back any time if they want it, she added.

Frank DiClaudio, owner of DiNic's Tavern at 15th and Snyder, said he had an agreement with the government that anything he said in court couldn't be used to prosecute him.

He kept up to three Dodge City video poker machines in his tavern.

"They've been around forever," he said. "It helps pay the bills."

DiNic's is a neighborhood bar that serves roast pork and beef sandwiches. His customers come in, grab a beer, and play video poker. If they're lucky, they win cash payouts of between $20 and $300.

The customers usually lose, but they keep playing anyway, DiClaudio said. "In the end, they're gonna play to make up their losses."

The usual split, DiClaudio said, was he kept 70 percent of "the drop," or earnings from the machines, which usually amounted to between $500 and $600 a week. The vending machine company got the remaining 30 percent.

"I was responsible for payouts," DiClaudio said. Despite the payouts, "It's a revenue stream."

Back in 2007, mobster Gaeton Lucibello stopped into DiNic's to pitch his company's video poker machines.

"Give us a shot," he asked DiClaudio.

DiClaudio said he had known Lucibello for a long time.

"His sister lived across the street from my aunt," he explained. Lucibello was a real gentleman as a customer. He'd come in, order a couple of drinks, and leave a $100 bill on the bar, saying keep the change. Lucibello's generosity made him a popular customer.

So DiClaudio decided to rent two video poker machines from JMA, and he kept one from his old vendor.

When state troopers raided his tavern in 2009, they confiscated all the video poker machines and arrested DiClaudio.

After he got out of jail, DiClaudio got the machines replaced "within a day or so," he said.

"Did you continue to use the machines for illegal gambling," the prosecutor asked.

"Yes," he said.

On cross-examination, lawyer Jacobs on behalf of Ligambi, asked DiClaudio if he ever had to do any jail time for running an illegal gambling operation.

No, he said.

"You admit to 20 years of video gaming and it doesn't come back to bite you?" Jacobs asked.

Apparently not.

Lucibello is now serving a 51-month prison term after pleading guilty to racketeering conspiracy charges.

The last witness of the day was Pennsylvania Trooper Glenn Hobey.

Hobey told how in 2009 he raided 22 bars, restaurants and other fine establishments throughout South Philly, including Grumpy's Tavern at 800 Cross Street.

"There were a total of three [video poker machines] that came out of Grumpy's," the trooper said.

Pictures of the machines were flashed on the screens of several court computers.

"It appears to be a Dodge City," the trooper testified.

The trooper was just warming to the subject of the raid on Grumpy's and other establishments when Judge Eduardo C. Robreno announced he'd heard enough.

"Let's just adjourn," the judge said. "It's been a long week."

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/11/nap-time-at-mob-trial.html#L071DjK1FlpOc0re.99

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: 22] #748728
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Somebody explain this to me,you mean ''allegedley''none of these jurors know about the first trial.Were they all out of the country at the same time,or when they are getting ready to be picked for the jury does everyone just go on their word when they say they never heard of these guys or the first trial.If I wanted to get out of work and just do something different I'd say whatever they wanted me to say to sit on the jury.The other part about Staino being a nice guy,why wouldn't he be.He's collecting money with no problems.
i find it pretty believable that they could find people that didnt know about the first trial. I mean besides people that are somehow connected to these guys, the only other people who follow or pay any attention to this stuff are the bunch losers who spend their time on websites like this. wink


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Somebody explain this to me,you mean ''allegedley''none of these jurors know about the first trial.Were they all out of the country at the same time,or when they are getting ready to be picked for the jury does everyone just go on their word when they say they never heard of these guys or the first trial.If I wanted to get out of work and just do something different I'd say whatever they wanted me to say to sit on the jury.The other part about Staino being a nice guy,why wouldn't he be.He's collecting money with no problems.
i find it pretty believable that they could find people that didnt know about the first trial. I mean besides people that are somehow connected to these guys, the only other people who follow or pay any attention to this stuff are the bunch losers who spend their time on websites like this. wink


lol I was going to say something similar. If it weren't for Fox 29 I don't think a lot of people would even know half of mob stuff they do. Dave S drums up drama about a possible mob war. I find that amusing because if your going to make a move on someone and hit them where it hurts, it's not by using violence but your connections within Law Enforcement and Politics. No one in the right mind is going to go to war over video poker machines, a few dozen books, taxing dope dealers, loansharking, and some prostitution. They have white collar rackets within insurance and real estate.

If George and his uncle beat the case life goes on. The scarfo guys better hope that gorilla glue was durable over that long stretch of time.

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What about someone who is batshit crazy?

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Those Scarfo guys are all set up pretty good,I mean I'm sure they put a couple of bucks away.They were making big time money with the AC Unions,construction,and whatever.Some had good real-estate holdings like the Pungitores and the Narduccis had the clubs,steak shops,bars.A little more sophisticated than today,beside the big-wigs who else was making any real money out there now?

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i dont think it matters if how much money you have, when you have the criminality running in your blood its real hard to supress it aka gravano had plenty of money and still felt the need to break the law



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Those Scarfo guys are all set up pretty good,I mean I'm sure they put a couple of bucks away.They were making big time money with the AC Unions,construction,and whatever.Some had good real-estate holdings like the Pungitores and the Narduccis had the clubs,steak shops,bars.A little more sophisticated than today,beside the big-wigs who else was making any real money out there now?


Charlie White was his son setup nice or was it the drugs ?

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Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
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Mazzones wife is sexy as hell i must say when i first saw her i was like damnnnnn lol. merlinos wife also looks great... ill try to get more pics soon!


Word out here is Stevie's wife left him a while back


That's correct. She left Stevie for a legit guy that makes a lot of money. He's not going away anytime soon, so I would assume most women prefer a husband over a vibrator every few years. Maybe she was tire of having all her toys taken away. I'm sure they still smash on the low but when your a hood and have money your going to cheat on your wife, regardless.

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Speaking of Charlie White's son that was Vince Iannucci,right.Whatever happened to him.I mean he was an up and comer and then nothing.I remember when he got popped at home that time but that's it?

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Georgie and Uncle Joes lawyer made some pretty good points about the bartenders running that illegal poker machines for 20 years and still having them in the bars and not being brought up on racketeering or gambling charges

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Originally Posted By: NightOwl
Charlie White was his son setup nice or was it the drugs ?
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Speaking of Charlie White's son that was Vince Iannucci,right.Whatever happened to him.I mean he was an up and comer and then nothing.I remember when he got popped at home that time but that's it?

I know Iannece's kid "Chaz" got popped in 2008(?) on meth charges but he was a small player in that bust. From what i remember of the arrests he was just buying eight balls of speed for him and his buddies. I think it was called operation broken doll. They were getting the shit sent from mexico in porcelain dolls. Actually it was first sent to cali where it was reshipped to the buyers in philly.

A few of the other philly guys involved went down pretty hard...they were moving larger weight.


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why were the boss, underboss, and a captain all shaking down a poker machine owner?

they sound thirsty and broke

the captain shouldn't even have been directly dealing with the business owner

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why were the boss, underboss, and a captain all shaking down a poker machine owner?

they sound thirsty and broke

the captain shouldn't even have been directly dealing with the business owner


They have more then just poker machines. They have those LCD Touch-Screen Monitors that you can play various games on while sitting at the bar. I think Photo-hunt is there cash-cow next to video-poker machines

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Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

"His sister lived across the street from my aunt," he explained. Lucibello was a real gentleman as a customer. He'd come in, order a couple of drinks, and leave a $100 bill on the bar, saying keep the change. Lucibello's generosity made him a popular customer.

How is Lucibello making so much money?


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i wondered the same exact thing lol



Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Giancarlo] #748874
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The video poker machine Staino left behind is still at Coley's, making money.


yet Ant is doing a ten year bid...comical


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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News [Re: Ted] #748898
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Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

"His sister lived across the street from my aunt," he explained. Lucibello was a real gentleman as a customer. He'd come in, order a couple of drinks, and leave a $100 bill on the bar, saying keep the change. Lucibello's generosity made him a popular customer.

How is Lucibello making so much money?


I would guess he makes the monies from organized crime?

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