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Re: Moreno Gallo shot dead in Mexico
[Re: Johnny_Pops]
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11/20/13 02:33 PM
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This makes sense to me, the old Calabrian faction saw an opportunity and tried to seize upon it. Unfortunately, since Vito is a free man now it seems like they are on the receiving end of a serious beat down.
I can also see some validation in the theory that the hits on the rizzuto faction were at least partially personally motivated. Just going on the fact that most everyone hit during Vito's time in the can were family either through blood or marriage. Of course, said people were also highly placed in the family hierarchy, so who knows? Vic and Paolo make good martyrs, a smoke screen through which an ambitious capo could justify the seizure of power. Rizzuto was never meant to be boss.
I do have one last question about the Rizzuto's, though. Back in the 60's when Vito was still making his bones, it seemed as though the family was firmly under control of Massino and indeed just a Bonano borgata up in Montreal facilitating family interest there. However, since the Gerlando Sciascia hit it's always seemed to me like the Canadian borgata began to move increasingly away from its role as "just" another Bonano crew. In the book "the Sixth Family" the authors theorize that the Sciascia hit was orchestrated by Massino out of fear that his Canadian crew capo was beginning to forget to whom he supposedly owed allegiance. Massino isn't an idiot, he obviously knows the real power in Montreal lays with Vito rather than the borgata's legitimate Captain.
I'm getting to my question eventually, hehe bare with me.
So, has separation from the Bonano family always been in the books? Vito has always been the "boss" of Montreal in all but name, he even refused to accept a promotion to Capo from Massino. To me this says that Vito is not at all interested in legitimizing his claim in the eyes of NYC's boss. It almost seems to me like Montreal has always seen itself as a separate entity, paying only lip service to the Bonano Boss.
Where does the Rizzuto family stand now? Still has a crew in the Bonano family, or are they well and truly independent? relying more on their Sicilian alliances rather than their American overlords? Is Vito Rizzuto a boss in his own right? Does he even need American families given his lucrative drug trafficking?
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Re: Moreno Gallo shot dead in Mexico
[Re: slumpy]
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11/21/13 08:26 AM
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Back in the 60's when Vito was still making his bones, it seemed as though the family was firmly under control of Massino and indeed just a Bonano borgata up in Montreal facilitating family interest there. Massino came to power in the early 90s. In the 1960s he was still an associate just as Vito Rizzuto. So, has separation from the Bonano family always been in the books? Vito has always been the "boss" of Montreal in all but name, he even refused to accept a promotion to Capo from Massino. To me this says that Vito is not at all interested in legitimizing his claim in the eyes of NYC's boss. If he would've accepted to become capo he would've renounced his claim to be recognised as an independent boss. It almost seems to me like Montreal has always seen itself as a separate entity, paying only lip service to the Bonano Boss. During the Cotroni era they were undisputedly a Bonanno crew, but due to their location they were operating more autonomously. Vic Cotroni always remained very loyal to the Bonanno family as did his younger brother Frank.
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Re: Moreno Gallo shot dead in Mexico
[Re: Johnny_Pops]
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11/21/13 11:26 AM
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If the shooters were not Mexican, there had to be some local Mexican assistance provided to the shooters. If the shooters were Canadians, they would not have been able to hop on a plane with their guns, and fly into Acapulco. Nor could they walk into a gun store or Walmart and buy guns. Guns purchases in Mexico, at least legitimate, is harder than the US. As we all know, there are plenty of guns available through the black market.
I would think the shooters were not Mexican, and were most likely LCN / LCN associates. Why would someone outsource this killing, especially in another country? The shooters need to know their area, the habits if their target, a couple of different get a way choices and a safe house. All of that takes time, patience, cunning and money. It also requires local expertise.
The Rizzutto's, Caruna Cun trera's and others in Montreal LCN are well known drug dealers. I suspect they had no problem through their connections getting guns and other assistance for their own shooters. They are only a few hundred miles from Culiacon, home to the Sinaloa Cartel, the worlds largest DTO.
I don't expect the Mexican authorities to do much of an investigation, nor do I expect us to know any significant facts about this hit unless someone flips, which does not happen often in MTL.
Best way to catch the smart ones? Get an idiot working for them.
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Re: Moreno Gallo shot dead in Mexico
[Re: Sonny_Black]
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11/21/13 01:45 PM
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Back in the 60's when Vito was still making his bones, it seemed as though the family was firmly under control of Massino and indeed just a Bonano borgata up in Montreal facilitating family interest there. Massino came to power in the early 90s. In the 1960s he was still an associate just as Vito Rizzuto. So, has separation from the Bonano family always been in the books? Vito has always been the "boss" of Montreal in all but name, he even refused to accept a promotion to Capo from Massino. To me this says that Vito is not at all interested in legitimizing his claim in the eyes of NYC's boss. If he would've accepted to become capo he would've renounced his claim to be recognised as an independent boss. It almost seems to me like Montreal has always seen itself as a separate entity, paying only lip service to the Bonano Boss. During the Cotroni era they were undisputedly a Bonanno crew, but due to their location they were operating more autonomously. Vic Cotroni always remained very loyal to the Bonanno family as did his younger brother Frank. So what about NY's perspective? Massino seems to have been the last Bonano boss to try and exert any sort of authority over the canadians, but they still must have some working alliance considering Rizzuto's primary income comes from smuggling drugs into the states. Also, what's the Bonano family called now? They changed (well, tried to, anyway) after Joe Banano published that book, but since Massino flipped I supposed they either changed names again or went back to using Bonano?
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Re: Moreno Gallo shot dead in Mexico
[Re: slumpy]
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11/21/13 01:49 PM
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Back in the 60's when Vito was still making his bones, it seemed as though the family was firmly under control of Massino and indeed just a Bonano borgata up in Montreal facilitating family interest there. Massino came to power in the early 90s. In the 1960s he was still an associate just as Vito Rizzuto. So, has separation from the Bonano family always been in the books? Vito has always been the "boss" of Montreal in all but name, he even refused to accept a promotion to Capo from Massino. To me this says that Vito is not at all interested in legitimizing his claim in the eyes of NYC's boss. If he would've accepted to become capo he would've renounced his claim to be recognised as an independent boss. It almost seems to me like Montreal has always seen itself as a separate entity, paying only lip service to the Bonano Boss. During the Cotroni era they were undisputedly a Bonanno crew, but due to their location they were operating more autonomously. Vic Cotroni always remained very loyal to the Bonanno family as did his younger brother Frank. So what about NY's perspective? Massino seems to have been the last Bonano boss to try and exert any sort of authority over the canadians, but they still must have some working alliance considering Rizzuto's primary income comes from smuggling drugs into the states. Also, what's the Bonano family called now? They changed (well, tried to, anyway) after Joe Banano published that book, but since Massino flipped I supposed they either changed names again or went back to using Bonano? Massino wanted to change the name from Bonanno to Massino but became a rat. The name was never changed. (Now it would look pretty bad if they did when you think about it)
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Re: Moreno Gallo shot dead in Mexico
[Re: slumpy]
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11/21/13 02:18 PM
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So what about NY's perspective? Massino seems to have been the last Bonano boss to try and exert any sort of authority over the canadians, but they still must have some working alliance considering Rizzuto's primary income comes from smuggling drugs into the states. It's safe to assume that there still is a relationship, but at this point the exact nature of it is only guesswork. For all we know the Bonanno crew has been rebuild under a new caporegime, but Rizzuto may now also be operating independently. Also, what's the Bonano family called now? They changed (well, tried to, anyway) after Joe Banano published that book, but since Massino flipped I supposed they either changed names again or went back to using Bonano? As far as I know they are still referred to (at least by the press) by their original name. It appears the names that were given to the families in the 1960s have been set in stone.
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: Moreno Gallo shot dead in Mexico
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11/21/13 07:41 PM
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If the shooters were not Mexican, there had to be some local Mexican assistance provided to the shooters. Not necessarily. There is an Italian community in Acapulco, so the assassins could have received help from associates who were already stationed there or elsewhere in Mexico. Many mafiosi had settled in Central and South America after the first Mafia war in the early 1960s. Recall as well that Francesco del Balso and Giuseppe Torre were reported to have purchased a villa in Acapulco in early March 2006, about three weeks after the former decided he was going to go on unemployment insurance (!) Del Balso himself seemed to confirm his having a home in Mexico when he was stopped by Canada Customs on October 10, 2006 at the Trudeau airport -- see http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/ne...d-3666d26ef09a.The book The Sixth Family cites information from an analysis, by Canada's Department of Justice, of the Rizzuto organization's financial holdings and connections to other countries. The connection to Mexico? "[D]rug transactions, meetings and visits in Mexico." (See p. 349 of the 2008 updated and revised edition; p. 313 of the 2006 first edition, where the text reads "drug transactions through meetings in, and visits to Mexico.")
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Re: Moreno Gallo shot dead in Mexico
[Re: antimafia]
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11/21/13 08:23 PM
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Recall as well that Francesco del Balso and Giuseppe Torre were reported to have purchased a villa in Acapulco in early March 2006, about three weeks after the former decided he was going to go on unemployment insurance (!) Del Balso himself seemed to confirm his having a home in Mexico when he was stopped by Canada Customs on October 10, 2006 at the Trudeau airport -- see http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/ne...d-3666d26ef09a.The book The Sixth Family cites information from an analysis, by Canada's Department of Justice, of the Rizzuto organization's financial holdings and connections to other countries. The connection to Mexico? "[D]rug transactions, meetings and visits in Mexico." (See p. 349 of the 2008 updated and revised edition; p. 313 of the 2006 first edition, where the text reads "drug transactions through meetings in, and visits to Mexico.") Perhaps more important to note is that Francesco Arcadi, Nick Rizzuto Sr., Paolo Renda, Rocco Sollecito, Lorenzo Giordano, and del Balso were charged with a number of offences for crimes said to have taken place not only in Canada but also in other countries, Mexico among them. For example, see the bilingual indictment against Arcadi that can be found at https://www.ceic.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/Fichiers_client/centre_documentaire/Piece_CEIC-P-128.pdfwhich was submitted at the Charbonneau Commission inquiry on September 25 of last year.
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Re: Moreno Gallo shot dead in Mexico
[Re: Mussolini14]
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11/22/13 01:18 PM
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Was Moreno Gallo living in the open or was he in hiding or "gone to ground' so to speak? Surely he knew certain people were not pleased with him but does anyone know what security measures if any he took? Was it common knowledge he was living in Mexico?
Thank you for your time. Daniel Renaud of La Presse reported back on June 18 of this year that a document submitted May 22 by Gallo's lawyers, in relation to Gallo's attempt to get back into Canada, indicated Gallo was now living in Mexico -- see http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...ir-au-pays.php.If you read through all the articles published after Gallo was deported, you'll note the discrepancy about whether, after deportation, he went to Italy, he went to Italy and stayed a while before moving to Acapulco, or he immediately went to Acapulco. Given 99.99% of us don't have the inside knowledge to be able to answer a question about when Gallo started living in Acapulco -- especially because most of us were under the impression he was living in Italy -- I would answer, no, it wasn't common knowledge he was living in Mexico. Now, were there people in the Montreal underworld who knew before Renaud's June 18 article was published that Gallo was living in Acapulco? I would guess yes. If Toronto Star reporter Peter Edwards's recent reporting about a meeting last April in the Dominican Republic is accurate -- a meeting at which Vito Rizzuto, Moreno Gallo, and others were present -- then I would argue this meeting may lend further support to the claim that Montrealers knew of Gallo's whereabouts, in that knowing where Gallo was living may have been necessary to invite him to the meeting. I italicized "may" because Gallo or someone communicating on his behalf wouldn't have necessarily needed to disclose where Gallo was living.
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Re: Moreno Gallo shot dead in Mexico
[Re: slumpy]
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11/22/13 02:15 PM
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Maybe but I don't think BC has much of an LCN contingent if any at all. There is no family or structure here really, a couple guys are present, and they're just representatives of the East. IIRC in the Sixth family it says something to the effect of the Rizzutos being involved with importing/exporting drugs in Canada coast to coast including in BC. The mob, bikers, asians, south asians, are all involved in coast to coast trafficking, not to mention international trafficking.
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Re: Moreno Gallo shot dead in Mexico
[Re: RunCity]
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11/22/13 02:27 PM
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Maybe but I don't think BC has much of an LCN contingent if any at all. There is no family or structure here really, a couple guys are present, and they're just representatives of the East. IIRC in the Sixth family it says something to the effect of the Rizzutos being involved with importing/exporting drugs in Canada coast to coast including in BC. The mob, bikers, asians, south asians, are all involved in coast to coast trafficking, not to mention international trafficking. one chapters controls drugs coast to coast? Maybe the nomads from Quebec? I dont know much about asian narcotics rings but I'm sure your right.
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Re: Moreno Gallo shot dead in Mexico
[Re: Mussolini14]
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11/22/13 03:39 PM
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one chapters controls drugs coast to coast? Maybe the nomads from Quebec? I dont know much about asian narcotics rings but I'm sure your right. Definitely not one chapter, but I'd say the East End and White Rock chapters are spearheading the trafficking and have closer relationships with eastern OC groups/HA Chapters. Both EE and WR are located in the Vancouver area.
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Re: Moreno Gallo shot dead in Mexico
[Re: Scalish]
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11/22/13 08:58 PM
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Musolini,
Gallo was living openly in Mexico he was not in hiding.
So he was going out and about without bodyguards or taking any security measures that you're aware of? Curios as to whether or not Gallo new he was still marked or if he thought things were settled at the meeting in Dominican that both he and Vito attended. thanks for your response
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