Desjardins doesn't have the pull to order someone to be killed in Sicily, by Sicilians. Only Rizzuto has. The so called 'Calabrian' faction (which was actually composed of mostly mainland Italians from multiple regions) is now in shatters.

Sonny. I'm curious to know why you believe Desjardins doesn't have that kind of pull to order hit in Sicily? I know I'm out of touch with the Rizzuto family news. It was Di Maulo, Desjardins, and Montagna that was killing off the Rizzuto family? Then Desjardins had the balls to kill Montagna. Why wouldn't he have Fernadez killed? Maybe then it was Rizzuto who ordered it for Fernandez being neutral when his family was being wiped out.

Yeah I think your just about right Caramella with that, except I'm pretty sure Sal tried to kill Desjardins first and fucked up, an then Desjardins got him in retaliation

Canada seems to be more about associates than made guys and it sounds like the number of associates is a pretty large number..

Also, I'm not disputing but where did you come up with the fact that Sal tried whacking Desjardins...?

I know Desjardins survived a hit attempt, not sure if related to this or not.

It was September of 2011, 2 months before they found Montagna in the river and someone made an attempt on this Desjardins guy while he was driving down the highway ala Joey Merlino, I personally think it was Sal Montagna's doing

Boy, Sal had a lot of balls thinking he was going to show up North of the border and end up running things....

Because Desjardins has other things to worry about; he's facing a serious prison sentence himself and can't afford ordering hits from his jail cell. Besides that he needs to fear for his own life after the failed coup and the return of Rizzuto. And I really don't believe that a French-Canadian is in a position to order Sicilian mafiosi to carry out hits for him in Sicily. The only people with that pull are the Sicilians in Montreal or Toronto.

Yep. I'm sure he thought Vito was still loyal to the Bonanno's and would follow orders. Before he knew it he was running out of his own window and jumping into a frozen river.

I too believe it was Vito that whacked Fernandez.

Then even if Desjardins gets through this murder trial he still has the fact Vito is licking his chops hoping Desjardins beats the case just so he can punish him for what he done while Vito was in prison. Bye bye Raynald.

I think Vito has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt,that he's a serious force to be reckoned with.

When it comes to Mobsters Vito is great he is old school and fucking powerful.

yeah i agree, they dont make mobsters like this guy anymore it seems. lately when a boss hits the matresses it turns into a god damn mess (Colombo civil war) but this guy comes back and just starts mopping up wiseguys like kids play. He is the undisputed boss of Canada right now. Capo di tutti capi del Canada

No doubt, no one here comes close to him.

Why did the USA settle everything with a 10-year sentence for 3 murders? Couldn't they have given at least 25?

Cause it wasnt an ironclad case, just the word of massino and vitale. No physical evidence. All rizzuto admited to when he pleaded guilty was that he was there but that he wasnt one of the shooters, but your right he got a good deal cause the govt didnt wanna risk letting him walk.

vito pretty bad ass but does a great mobster have a legacy of having his dad and son wack+ his brother in law and acouple other family members.

The question is had he not been locked up in Colorado would that happen? Highly doubt it.

That's why I don't like mobsters, even though am interested in them: if I were Vito, after my family was slaughtered, I would have been pretty much disgusted with the criminal life that brought me tragedy and would just retire after taking revenge. Revenge is understandable, but now Di Maulo and Montagna are dead and Desjardins is in jail, but Vito still goes on and on again. He really seems not to have got how filthy a professional criminal's life is. I was initially even sorry for him when all his friends and relatives were whacked while he couldn't do anything, being in prison. Now I just hope somebody whacks him as well.

So you want a criminal to be whacked for killing other criminals? That makes you no different than those criminals. Personally I don't have a problem with a criminal killing other criminals. It's their business, why would you care about it? It's not like Saddam Hussein ordering a chemical attack on innocent women and children.

He also sells drugs and extorts, as far as I know, and it's not like every single one he whacked 100% deserved death, not all criminals warrant a death sentence.

That is a highly subjective statement. All criminals potentially warrant a death sentence, because it's part of their business. It's the same as army soldiers, who are prepared to die in battle. If you don't want to risk your life in battle you do not become a soldier, plain and simple.

Yes, but still, they can have relatives who aren't criminals and are hurt by the loss of their family members. I don't really blame Vito Rizzuto for whacking Di Maulo since he initiated the whole massacre. But what about others? Just to make an example, what was the point of whacking Gaetan Gosselin? He was just an underling of Desjardins'. Even Desjardins himself can't take important decisions himself, not being Italian, so what exactly one of his underlings was guilty of in relation to the Rizzuto family massacre? Just to prove his point to Desjardins who is in prison? Don't know how Vito reasons, but I always thought "revenge" is directed at those who are 100% responsible for offenses towards you, killing people around them just to prove your point is crazy, even though I understand perfectly that crime bosses have always done that.

You are right on the other hand, maybe there is no point to care about this mess, but still I sometimes try to look at it from a point of view different from usual, just out of curiosity.

If you think Gosselin was a saint you got another thing coming.

He was involved in the game and has been for a very long time, he knew what he was in for when he entered the game.

I can understand a Mother or someone who is totally not involved like when that moron Gaspipe had Fat Pete Chiodo's Sister on the street in the middle of the day, now that is wrong.

But a guy like Gosselin who played the game not a chance you should feel bad about that.

I meant to say when Gaspipe had her shot.

I don't say he was a saint, it was just an example that I don't think everyone Vito had killed deserved to die in my opinion. It's not like they are good people, it's Vito who is a scumbag.

Your missing the point here bro they are all the same, Gosselin is no better a person then Rizzuto and vice versa.

You speak as if you know all the details while you, just like the rest of us, only know 10%. You don't know Gosselin's history nor do you know Rizzuto's motives. In fact, we do not even know if Rizzuto was behind it in the first place.

That's right, but this doesn't change the fact that our points of view are slightly different: you said you have no problems when criminals kill other criminals. I personally don't care about the criminal victims, but if they are killed in a gang war by people who are no better the them, I still think these crimes should be punished, because in my opinion the perpetrators simply don't care much whether their victims are "in the game" or not. If it's necessary for business, they would have no problems of killing innocents in my opinion. In Italy we have seen it countless times, why would Canada be different?
On the other hand, if for example a mafioso was killed by some desperate ruined businessman whose family was killed by the mafia, now that's one murder I would have absolutely no problems with. I wouldn't even testify in court against this perpetrator.

Anyway, I respect you point of view, it's not like I am pretending to know all the story, but making assumptions is no crime.

I agree that Desjardins probably doesn't act on his own, but theoretically it's not like Italian organized crime is above accepting contracts from non-made people if they pay well. For example, the 'ndrangheta boss Santo Asciutto organized a hit in 1991 for some dentist who wanted to kill his wife. Money owns them all.

I have to agree with frankg2469...Rizzuto has proven himself to be the last of the old school breed...