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Re: Stanfa: What was his deal? [Re: vinnietoothpicks26] #751128
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Could you imagine if those putzes in Philly tried to take on the Cherry Hill Gambinos???? LOL.

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Originally Posted By: baldo
Could you imagine if those putzes in Philly tried to take on the Cherry Hill Gambinos???? LOL.

It never got close to that point as far as i know. It was philly's turf and supposedly the Gambino's were given permission to sell their "merchandise" in philly's territory by Angelo Bruno who i would think got a piece of the profit. But from what i know of it they weren't supposed to get involved in traditional local mob rackets which the boss of philly controlled. AC might of been a different story though...i think most of the NY families had business there after the hit on Bruno. It was a pretty crazy time around here back then. The philly mob, the zips and the bikers were all at the peak of their power back then but by the end of the 1980's everyone was either dead or locked up and things really calmed down.

Long John Martorano was pretty close to the local zips. He lived in the same south jersey neighborhood that they did and his vending company handled all the vending at their local restaurants and pizza spots.

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Theres a photo with the gambinos and Bruno all meeting? where could I find it?


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I lived in right outside Cherry hill in Gloucester Township for a few years when i was a senior in highschool until i was 23.. its actually pretty bad for the suburbs.. living in philly my whole life, I was pretty surprised.


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Re: Stanfa: What was his deal? [Re: HandsomeStevie] #751307
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Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Theres a photo with the gambinos and Bruno all meeting? where could I find it?

Yes, it was posted over on the RD forum 2 or 3 years ago. A poster there filed a foia request for the operation iron tower files and i believe that photo was in the files he received. It's more like a copy of the photo but you can clearly see who was there. Looks to me like it was taken in the mid 1970's maybe 75 or 76. Rosario Gambino was sitting at the head of the table....they were all having dinner together.

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Very interesting. Would love to get my hands on stuff like that. And stanfa is in the picture as well? Also, was Rosario the higher up of the brothers? I always assumed John Gambino was the big man out of the brothers.


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How the heck can I get onto this RD forum? I've been trying since the summer and I even wrote them an e-mail like they requested and they never responded. Like lets be real were on a forum, nobody truely knows one another, how am i supposed to find somebody to vouch for me and risk there own membership? It all seems like a little much, And some people on here talk so highly of RD but others say its not that great anymore..


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Re: Stanfa: What was his deal? [Re: Giancarlo] #751449
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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Stanfa was extremely close to the sicilian faction of the Gambino's. He was very close to the Gambino brothers and they're the ones that hid him out in Maryland where he was working at one of their pizza parlors in Landover. In the photo of the Gambino's meeting and having dinner with Angelo Bruno you see Stanfa sitting right at the table across from John Gambino. And according to Leonetti's book it was that sicilian faction of the Gambino's that persuaded Gotti to back Stanfa as the boss in philly. Gotti backed Stanfa as a favor to them.

The car Bruno was killed in according to one article was registered to the construction company owned by Emanuel Gambino and the pizza parlor in Maryland where Stanfa was working at when he was on the run was also owned by Emanuel Gambino who is John Gambino's brother in law.

Stanfa had several relatives that were high ranking mafioso's back in sicily. They were the ones who originally asked Carlo Gambino to look after Stanfa when he first came to the USA. It was Carlo Gambino who asked Angelo Bruno to make Stanfa.

It was Paul Castellano who arranged for Stanfa to get a pass on any POSSIBLE involvement in the murder of Bruno and according to Leonetti it was John Gotti who asked Nicky Scarfo for permission to let Stanfa return to philly. Scarfo supposedly gave his ok as long as Stanfa didn't cause any problems.

In the late 1970's Stanfa constantly hung out at Rosario and Joe Gambino's restaurant/club in Cherry Hill.....called Valentino's. Everybody assumed he was part of the Gambino brothers crew. It wasn't until after Bruno got hit that people found out he was actually a made guy in philly.



Do you know where I can see that picture of Bruno and the Gambino brothers?

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Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Very interesting. Would love to get my hands on stuff like that. And stanfa is in the picture as well? Also, was Rosario the higher up of the brothers? I always assumed John Gambino was the big man out of the brothers.

John Gambino was the boss of that particular crew and the american side of the pipeline but he never lived in NJ. Sal (Rosario) was the #1 zip in town back then. By that i mean the south jersey - philly area.....John was always in NY running the biz from there.

In the picture there are only 2 of the 3 Gambino brothers ...Rosario and John. Maybe Joe was working the camera and took the photo...i'm really not sure. There are a few other guys in the photo too. One i think is Erasmo Gambino and theres this one guy sitting next to Stanfa that nobody can figure out who he is but he's also in a photo taken at that infamous Bono wedding in NYC back in 1980. The wedding i refer to as Heroin INC.

Couple other guys too...one who might be the Gambinos father Tommaso but i'm just guessing on that one....really not sure. But he did live here at the time and Bruno said he was friends with him so theres a decent chance it is him.

It's really just a group shot of all of them having dinner together. Their wives were there too. Bruno's daughter talked about one of those dinners they all had back then in i think it was Philly Magazine. The writer wrote that Bruno's fate was sealed the moment the Gambino brothers came through his door. And he's probably right about that.

Just want to add that it's really a photocopy of the original photo but it's still clear enough to make out who was there.

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Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
I lived in right outside Cherry hill in Gloucester Township for a few years when i was a senior in highschool until i was 23.. its actually pretty bad for the suburbs.. living in philly my whole life, I was pretty surprised.


I still live in Gloucester Township. Oddly enough John Veasey's relatives are my neighbors, and we live directly across the street from where Salvie Testa's body was dumped. Small world.

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I lived in right outside Cherry hill in Gloucester Township for a few years when i was a senior in highschool until i was 23.. its actually pretty bad for the suburbs.. living in philly my whole life, I was pretty surprised.


I still live in Gloucester Township. Oddly enough John Veasey's relatives are my neighbors, and we live directly across the street from where Salvie Testa's body was dumped. Small world.

JMack do you know Veasey's brother Dante? I think he lives somewhere in that area.

I'm pretty familiar with Gloucester Township. Used to know a few bikers that lived there among others.

A lot of people from south philly have been moving over the WW Bridge into areas a little south of there for decades now. Places like Sewell, Turnersville, and especially Washington Township. It's been non stop building down there for a long time...i remember when it was pretty much farmland and woods. Now it's bumper to bumper traffic and i try to avoid it as much as possible. Actually a nice area but they just built it up too much IMHO.

Washington Township is practically right over the bridge so all the families that moved from philly can be back in their old neighborhoods in minutes. Just close enough to south philly without all the bullshit. Much better place to raise a family and the public schools are supposed to be pretty good.

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Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
I lived in right outside Cherry hill in Gloucester Township for a few years when i was a senior in highschool until i was 23.. its actually pretty bad for the suburbs.. living in philly my whole life, I was pretty surprised.


I still live in Gloucester Township. Oddly enough John Veasey's relatives are my neighbors, and we live directly across the street from where Salvie Testa's body was dumped. Small world.

JMack do you know Veasey's brother Dante? I think he lives somewhere in that area.



I'm pretty familiar with Gloucester Township. Used to know a few bikers that lived there among others.

A lot of people from south philly have been moving over the WW Bridge into areas a little south of there for decades now. Places like Sewell, Turnersville, and especially Washington Township. It's been non stop building down there for a long time...i remember when it was pretty much farmland and woods. Now it's bumper to bumper traffic and i try to avoid it as much as possible. Actually a nice area but they just built it up too much IMHO.

Washington Township is practically right over the bridge so all the families that moved from philly can be back in their old neighborhoods in minutes. Just close enough to south philly without all the bullshit. Much better place to raise a family and the public schools are supposed to be pretty good.


I've met him before. I'm pretty sure that he is from the Somerdale area. There are also a few Veasey's in that area

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Originally Posted By: jmack
I've met him before. I'm pretty sure that he is from the Somerdale area. There are also a few Veasey's in that area

Somerdale....now that you mention it i think your right. Thanks.

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Here you go guys...this was originally posted by Felice on the RD Forum. I just wanted to get the ok to post it here before i did and he said it was cool to post it. He's had alot of really good photo's and info on these guys over the years.

I tried to sharpen up the pic...but this was the best i could get it. It's a photocopy of the original.



The guy sitting next to Stanfa (closest to the camera) was at the infamous Bono Wedding back in 1980. But so far nobody can id him.

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Thats John Gambino sitting next to his wife. Stanfa is directly across the table and of course thats Rosario at the head of the table.

Any of you older philly guys know if that is Ralph Puppo sitting next to Bruno? He was Bruno's son in law.

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Another one of Rosario Gambino with Bruno and Stanfa. Again does anyone here know if that is Ralph Puppo sitting next to Bruno?

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Regarding Stanfa's involvement in the Bruno murder, think I remember reading that when Stanfa was in the hospital from the shotgun pellets, he was visited by Keys and Barracuda(?) who spoke to him in Sicilian...there was a cop there watching over Stanfa who spoke Italian, but he couldn't fully understand the dialect. When you combine that with Stanfa being ID'd headed up to NYC soon thereafter and his lucky near miss at the hands of Chin's crew, it seems to me Stanfa was without a doubt complicit in the plot...maybe Giancarlo or others can confirm/correct me here.

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Bruno seemed like a nice guy in comparison to most of these guys


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Originally Posted By: Phriction
it seems to me Stanfa was without a doubt complicit in the plot...maybe Giancarlo or others can confirm/correct me here.

I wish i knew the answer to that. I have my own suspicions about Stanfa but nothing i can prove.

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Who peanut? I'm know him and his son Dante Veasey. Theyre scumbags plain.and simple especially Peanut, john veaseys brother.


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Ive known Big Dante and Little Dante for plenty of years and let me tell you they really thought they were hard asses. The dad Peanut was a meth head and would take anything he could get his hands on but he was always a nobody. The son was the same way except he was a pretty damn big guy and he was a bully basically. He used to rob highschool kids for there drugs and money when he was like 30 years old. But he got locked up for like 3 years and just got out. Funny thing was is they used to brag about how his uncle was in the mafia.. then a few years later i found out the whole story and was like wow!


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I didn't know there was 2 different Dante's. So i guess the one i read about was the son. Big guy...him and his friend robbed a woman and threw her out of a van. He's on the NJ DOC site...he got out back in May or June.

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I always wonder what patriarca thought of Bruno murder. I think sam the plumber was in jail so other than the 5 families he was the only boss on the street in the north east. he was extremely tight with the Genovese who orcastrated the whole thing. that last word was way to hard to spell. orcastrated?

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Yeah that was Little Dante.. John Veaseys nephew. His Dads Name is also Dante but everyone knows him as Peanut, also the dad goes by a different last name.. Little Dante is a big as hell but hes a scumbag, robbing women and shit.


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They would of been better off keeping Bruno around. If Caponigro really became boss after Brunos death im sure somebody would of came and shot his dumb ass too.. but it seems like Bruno tried to make sure everyone in New York was happy with him. I mean he let Gambino Brothers sell heroin 5 miles from where he was based at and also obviously everyone had there hooks into Atlantic city. He might have been greedy but hes the boss he makes the rules.


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I read some where he was the one who made mousie in 1992. then he went to jail for couple yrs. surprised he didn't role 16yrs dam.

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Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
I mean he let Gambino Brothers sell heroin 5 miles from where he was based at and also obviously everyone had there hooks into Atlantic city. He might have been greedy but hes the boss he makes the rules.

Honestly...i don't think Bruno had a choice. Those guys were coming here with or without his blessing. If he objected good chance he would of been killed a few years sooner then he was.

When Carlo Gambino and Paul Castellano ask you to let Carlo's family do business in your territory it's really not a request. They were Bruno's protectors....no way he could of said no. Those guys were operating in South Jersey since the early 1970's. First they were in Delran NJ and then they moved to Cherry Hill in 76 i think it was. I'm pretty sure Carlo was still alive and calling the shots when those guys first set up shop in NJ. At one of the NJ state hearings on AC a NYC OC Squad cop testified they spotted the brothers entering and leaving Carlo's house in Brooklyn several times. This was around the time they first moved from Brooklyn to south jersey in the early 1970's. They had Carlo's blessing...IMO no way Bruno could of said no.

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Re: Stanfa: What was his deal? [Re: vinnietoothpicks26] #752421
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i've read all of the published books (anastasia's and leonetti's), and I wonder about Scarfo's involvement in the Bruno hit.

I think Scarfo, at the time, was very loyal to LCN. And, he must have had a decent relationship with Bruno, for Bruno to OK a hit on a judge (helfant) by Scarfo, among others. But, on the one hand, the Bruno/Scarfo relationship seemed highly strained (paperclip episode in jail,Scarfo "siding" with Chicken in the Phil Testa/Bruno rift, the Bartenders union issue).

I question how much Scarfo knew about the Bananas/Genovese plot to have Bruno hit.

He had a very tight relationship with Bobby Manna and seems like the type to let everyone know that he was the man in AC. The Caponigro double cross at the hands of Funzi Tieri is just, well, stupid on behalf of Tony Bananas. To think that he could embarass Tieri with a commission ruling a year or 2 prior on the Newark Bookie, and then go to him to whack a boss, he must of had someone else (scarfo, via his relationship with Bobby Manna) assuring him that the Genovese were on his side.

Just a theory.


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Re: Stanfa: What was his deal? [Re: NickyWhip] #752432
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Originally Posted By: NickyWhip
And, he must have had a decent relationship with Bruno, for Bruno to OK a hit on a judge (helfant) by Scarfo, among others.

Are you sure Bruno was even asked? I thought it was just crazy revenge by Virgilio, with Scarfo's help.

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Re: Stanfa: What was his deal? [Re: vinnietoothpicks26] #752434
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In his book Leonetti said Bobby Manna asked Scarfo what would the position be of the philly family if something was to happen to Bruno and Scarfo told him they would stand together with the Genovese. He knew something was coming but he might not of known the exact details.

Scarfo supposedly told Leonetti "I think Lefty (Bruno) has some trouble heading his way and when it does he ain't gonna know what fucking hit him".

You have to remember a few years earlier Bruno thought he might have to slug it out with Testa and Scarfo over local 54 i think it was. Leonetti talked about it in his book and in the NJ State report on OC bars in NJ. Charles Allen testified Natale wanted a bunch of guns because they thought a war might break out between the 2 factions over local 54 where Testa and Scarfo were backing Gerace and Bruno was backing Ralph Natale. At a sitdown Bruno allegedly ordered Scarfo to fall in line and Scarfo blew him off. I would bet both Testa and Scarfo were glad to see Bruno get killed...it saved them the trouble of doing it themselves.

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