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Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #743558
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Reading the D'Arco book. Will be reading Five Families next. What years does it cover?

Re: Mafia Books [Re: pmac] #743603
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Originally Posted By: pmac
Alright finished darcos book. Nothing new. Find out alittle bout his son everything he tells has been written in the papers over 20yr. I thought al was gonna have stories nope he had a cousin,uncle who was a old powerfull soldier in the garment district. All rode his coattail.. Nepotism the guy told vario to put his name in 74 when the books open. All he did was arson for hire the guy never killed somone till 89 an he hit the guy wit a pipe neck shot guy. His kid was a dope fiend got made in 88 with the gemini twins senter n. Tester. Guy was weak so gas n vic killed bruno and mike salerno cause they were threats, stuck lil al in as acting boss and that was the end of brooklyn holding the power. Wish he talked more about the prince st guys they were the drug guys joe beck.


I finished last night, and as pmac and others noted, nothing of recent significance that has not been known through testimony and newspapers. I was hoping the book would have more character development of guys like Amuso, Casso, Tony Ducks, Paul Vario, etc. It did not tell us anything new.

The one item that is supposed to be "new information" is the murder committed one of Lucky's buddies way back when. I won't provide details here to spoil for anyone.

One side note - not one mention of Salvatore Clemente - the guy in Manhattan Mob Rampage that was originally listed as an Luchese associate, and on the most recent version I saw, is now listed as a Captain.

All in all, a very good read if you want to learn about the Luchese family, and the dysfunctional psychopaths who took over after Tony Ducks and the admin went down in the Commission Case.


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Re: Mafia Books [Re: TonyG] #743643
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Originally Posted By: TonyG

One side note - not one mention of Salvatore Clemente - the guy in Manhattan Mob Rampage that was originally listed as an Luchese associate, and on the most recent version I saw, is now listed as a Captain.


D'Arco doesn't explain what happened to Clemente? Does anyone here know?

As per Manhattan Mob Rampage, Clemente slurs his words and seems mentally challenged- kind of like a punch drunk Rocky Balboa. I figure that he might have gotten some brain damage from a vicious beat down or took a non lethal bullet to the head.


You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #743646
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Is Rugsy Vario still alive?

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #743941
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Did anyone else notice that in George fresolones book he says that Nicky scarfo had Chuckie Merlino whacked, and he got a lot of other things wrong like guys names it was basically like all info was stuff he got second hand and had most of the details wrong

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Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #744535
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Any real good upcoming mafia books? Preferably about the New York mafia families? Or even the NJ families or philly families.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Revis_Knicks] #744594
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Originally Posted By: Revis_Island
Any real good upcoming mafia books? Preferably about the New York mafia families? Or even the NJ families or philly families.


Anthony DeStefano just released a new book about Vinny Gorgeous Basciano this summer, haven't read it yet but I've heard good things.


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Re: Mafia Books [Re: Revis_Knicks] #745113
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Originally Posted By: Revis_Island
Any real good upcoming mafia books? Preferably about the New York mafia families? Or even the NJ families or philly families.


There's a new one out called The Mobster's Daughter. It's based in New York. I liked it. It's on Amazon.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #745507
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I have finished the Al D'Arco book and enjoyed it, and yes, as PMAC has said, there are things in there we've already seen, but overall it's a good book and I would recommend it to others. As for the Vinny Gorgeous book, that too was a good book up to a point. I felt that there was more to the Basciano story than was told. I hope someone else will write another book on "Gorgeous" why not- look at all the Gotti books. Lastly I am now about 30% into the FBI/Scarpa book and so far it seems as though the author is hell bent on pointing out fuck ups by the FBI.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #745523
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Bill Bonnano's book "The Last Testament" was a good read .

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #745532
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Really interested in west coast activity of Cosa Nostra. Going to pick up The Last Mafioso, about L.A. mobster Jimmy The Weasel Fratianno. Any other books about California cosa nostra anyone could recommend?


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #745711
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Can anybody tell me about Before bruno volume 3 1946-1959? i just ordered it even though i didnt read the first two but did anyone else enjoy it?


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Re: Mafia Books [Re: HandsomeStevie] #745865
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Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Can anybody tell me about Before bruno volume 3 1946-1959? i just ordered it even though i didnt read the first two but did anyone else enjoy it?


I read 'Blood and Honor', a very good read.


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Re: Mafia Books [Re: bigboy] #745876
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Originally Posted By: bigboy
I have finished the Al D'Arco book and enjoyed it, and yes, as PMAC has said, there are things in there we've already seen, but overall it's a good book and I would recommend it to others.


I'm struggling to finish this book. It seems that a large amount of the book is from before he was appointed acting boss. And personally, my interest is during the time he was promoted to acting boss to when he flipped.

Originally Posted By: MobMan
Bill Bonnano's book "The Last Testament" was a good read .


Anybody else read this book? I read Bound By Honor, and found it interesting. Wondering if this is a rehash of similar info.


You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #748437
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very good book


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Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #748446
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I thought the Darco book was really good.. best in quite some time. That new Vinny B book sucked IMO. I would really like to see the Leonetti book become a movie, we never had a good movie about philly.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: OakAsFan] #748450
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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Really interested in west coast activity of Cosa Nostra. Going to pick up The Last Mafioso, about L.A. mobster Jimmy The Weasel Fratianno. Any other books about California cosa nostra anyone could recommend?


Consider picking up Revenge Is Mine, good book. Fratianno's story

Re: Mafia Books [Re: LittleMan] #748501
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I have finished the Al D'Arco book and enjoyed it, and yes, as PMAC has said, there are things in there we've already seen, but overall it's a good book and I would recommend it to others.


I'm struggling to finish this book. It seems that a large amount of the book is from before he was appointed acting boss. And personally, my interest is during the time he was promoted to acting boss to when he flipped.


I finished the book, and it ended up being a very good read. D'Arco was painted as a somewhat sympathetic figure, as they all are. But he seemed believable.

I wish the book went into more detail about his relationship with Paulie Vario. He worked with Paulie and even took over his crew....there must have been a lot of stories left out.

Also, the story relating to the Beck-Cuomo Ray's Pizzeria was very interesting. It was famous for their pizza, and it was surprising to read about how it was a front for drugs.

It was interesting that Little Davey Petillo was one of D'Arco's earliest mentors in the crime business. Petillo was the guy convicted with Luciano in the prostitution case.

Also, the book pulls no punches about the mob's heavy involvement with drugs. However, as usual, our hero gets pinched for narcotics despite getting a very raw deal from the judge and jury. We have the main character claiming that he wants nothing to do with narcotics... despite spending prison time for dealing H, having a son addicted and also dealing, and a daughter in law addicted. Reminded me a bit of Lucky Luciano insisting he had nothing to do with drugs despite having nobody believe him.

There were also contracting stories between Capeci and Carlo's books. Carlo's book accused D'Arco of lying on the stand, using Casso's stories as his own- in particular, claiming to be in commission meetings with the Chin. Capeci's book described D'Arco as being honest to a fault and was a star witness, who was highly sought after by prosecutors.


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I finally managed to finish Deal with the Devil by Peter Lance. It was very slow and mostly boring. way too much repetition and legal jargon. The main premise of this whole book is that there was a crooked FBI agent- De Vecchio who cut way too much slack with Greg Scarpa a murderer in exchange for information. I think about 20% of the book was the index with numerous references. I will say that the author was extremely well researched. Do not recommend if you are late in life and don't have much time to waste.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #748569
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I like to hear what is the best choice (both from Bill Bonanno):
Bound By Honor or The Last Testament or are they complementary to each other?

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #749789
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I just got A Mob Story McPhee on Kindle and cannot put the book down. I am about 70% through it and hate to come to the end. For me, this is definitely a book which I will read 2 or 3 times. I am simultaneously re-reading "The Butcher" for the third or fourth time. I am not used to seeing mob books by women but have to say she has done an outstanding job. I highly recommend it to the rest of you guys and gals. It was my first introduction to the Bath Avenue crew.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: marino] #749793
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Originally Posted By: marino
I like to hear what is the best choice (both from Bill Bonanno):
Bound By Honor or The Last Testament or are they complementary to each other?


Bound by honor is an autobiography, while The Last Testament deals in detail with commission meetings Bill Bonanno attended, description of the history of the Mafia, the structure of a Mafia Family etc. One chapter deals with hitmen, another with initiation into the Mafia, the ritual used and the oaths taken. I´d say that The Last Testament is actually more of a scholar book (but with some holes, especially on the early history). They are both good reads. Two different kind of books, I´d say.


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I don't believe a word Bill Bonnano says, he's an arrogant, spoiled little fuck who portrays himself to be "in the know" on all family matters...I don't buy a cent of it...my opinion of course

Re: Mafia Books [Re: BryanBricks] #749969
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Originally Posted By: BryanBricks
Definantly Mafia Dynasty. Being a luchese guy i didnt meant much to me, but gambino was one powerhouse


It has some good stuff but Davis can play hard and fast with facts; there are couple of times he contradicts himself in the book (IIRC, he states Joe Bonnano was at Apalachin and not at Apalachin in two places in the book).


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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: marino
I like to hear what is the best choice (both from Bill Bonanno):
Bound By Honor or The Last Testament or are they complementary to each other?


Bound by honor is an autobiography, while The Last Testament deals in detail with commission meetings Bill Bonanno attended, description of the history of the Mafia, the structure of a Mafia Family etc. One chapter deals with hitmen, another with initiation into the Mafia, the ritual used and the oaths taken. I´d say that The Last Testament is actually more of a scholar book (but with some holes, especially on the early history). They are both good reads. Two different kind of books, I´d say.


Thanks for the info. Based on this, I'm going to check out the Last Testament. And I agree with JCB, in that I find a lot of what Bill says to be fictional. But true or false, he has interesting stories.


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read albert demeo's book and he says it was senter who had the collapsed lung and had a lot of breathing problems. but in murder machine it says joey had the collapsed lung.


which one is it?

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I too noticed that discrepancy in the DeMeo book, I think it was Murder Machine where in describing Joey Testa they said that in his younger days he got into a knife fight with a Puerto Rican and had been stabbed in the chest. Therefore I think Jr. DeMeo was just mistaken. Also, Testa looked kind of frail while Senter looked pretty fit.

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Originally Posted By: LittleMan
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Originally Posted By: bigboy
I have finished the Al D'Arco book and enjoyed it, and yes, as PMAC has said, there are things in there we've already seen, but overall it's a good book and I would recommend it to others.


I'm struggling to finish this book. It seems that a large amount of the book is from before he was appointed acting boss. And personally, my interest is during the time he was promoted to acting boss to when he flipped.


I finished the book, and it ended up being a very good read. D'Arco was painted as a somewhat sympathetic figure, as they all are. But he seemed believable.

I wish the book went into more detail about his relationship with Paulie Vario. He worked with Paulie and even took over his crew....there must have been a lot of stories left out.

Also, the story relating to the Beck-Cuomo Ray's Pizzeria was very interesting. It was famous for their pizza, and it was surprising to read about how it was a front for drugs.

It was interesting that Little Davey Petillo was one of D'Arco's earliest mentors in the crime business. Petillo was the guy convicted with Luciano in the prostitution case.

Also, the book pulls no punches about the mob's heavy involvement with drugs. However, as usual, our hero gets pinched for narcotics despite getting a very raw deal from the judge and jury. We have the main character claiming that he wants nothing to do with narcotics... despite spending prison time for dealing H, having a son addicted and also dealing, and a daughter in law addicted. Reminded me a bit of Lucky Luciano insisting he had nothing to do with drugs despite having nobody believe him.

There were also contracting stories between Capeci and Carlo's books. Carlo's book accused D'Arco of lying on the stand, using Casso's stories as his own- in particular, claiming to be in commission meetings with the Chin. Capeci's book described D'Arco as being honest to a fault and was a star witness, who was highly sought after by prosecutors.


Yeah I always got the feeling that the casso book was exaggerated way too much to make him look better. Like at one point in the book the author said something like "In mafiadom, Casso was a lot bigger than Sammy the Bull Gravano but the Feds had to use Sammy to testify against gigante rather than the favorable casso". I don't think casso was as big as Sammy. He was huge in his own right but not like that. Sammy was underboss of the Gambino's while Casso was underboss of the Lucchese's. Come on. I can't imagine that casso made more or had more power than Sammy. I'm sure there were lies in both the D'Arco and Casso book

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Has anyone already read Zero Zero Zero by Roberto Saviano? I bought it ten days ago but I haven't started yet. But I did read an recent interview with Saviano: he seemed depressed. It was all too much: the stress, being in the run, the 24/7 bodyguards; he lost his life so to speak.
And he would never ever publish Gomorrah if he could do it all over again knowing what he knows now. Tragic.

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Just because Casso was Underboss to a smaller family, doesn't mean he didn't have his fingers in as many pies...plus, he "could have" demanded a larger percentage of the kick from his underlings. Gravano was Underboss for a very short period of time...obviously he had legitimate construction and demo companies, but Casso had his share as well. Hard to determine. Guys like Accardo and Gambino were on top for so long prior to RICO, if they were smart, could have been worth up to $100 million

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