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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: pmac]
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10/09/13 10:17 AM
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TonyG
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Alright finished darcos book. Nothing new. Find out alittle bout his son everything he tells has been written in the papers over 20yr. I thought al was gonna have stories nope he had a cousin,uncle who was a old powerfull soldier in the garment district. All rode his coattail.. Nepotism the guy told vario to put his name in 74 when the books open. All he did was arson for hire the guy never killed somone till 89 an he hit the guy wit a pipe neck shot guy. His kid was a dope fiend got made in 88 with the gemini twins senter n. Tester. Guy was weak so gas n vic killed bruno and mike salerno cause they were threats, stuck lil al in as acting boss and that was the end of brooklyn holding the power. Wish he talked more about the prince st guys they were the drug guys joe beck. I finished last night, and as pmac and others noted, nothing of recent significance that has not been known through testimony and newspapers. I was hoping the book would have more character development of guys like Amuso, Casso, Tony Ducks, Paul Vario, etc. It did not tell us anything new. The one item that is supposed to be "new information" is the murder committed one of Lucky's buddies way back when. I won't provide details here to spoil for anyone. One side note - not one mention of Salvatore Clemente - the guy in Manhattan Mob Rampage that was originally listed as an Luchese associate, and on the most recent version I saw, is now listed as a Captain. All in all, a very good read if you want to learn about the Luchese family, and the dysfunctional psychopaths who took over after Tony Ducks and the admin went down in the Commission Case.
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: TonyG]
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10/09/13 12:55 PM
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LittleMan
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One side note - not one mention of Salvatore Clemente - the guy in Manhattan Mob Rampage that was originally listed as an Luchese associate, and on the most recent version I saw, is now listed as a Captain.
D'Arco doesn't explain what happened to Clemente? Does anyone here know? As per Manhattan Mob Rampage, Clemente slurs his words and seems mentally challenged- kind of like a punch drunk Rocky Balboa. I figure that he might have gotten some brain damage from a vicious beat down or took a non lethal bullet to the head.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: Turi Giuliano]
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10/11/13 01:44 PM
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Did anyone else notice that in George fresolones book he says that Nicky scarfo had Chuckie Merlino whacked, and he got a lot of other things wrong like guys names it was basically like all info was stuff he got second hand and had most of the details wrong
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: Revis_Knicks]
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10/15/13 06:41 PM
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Any real good upcoming mafia books? Preferably about the New York mafia families? Or even the NJ families or philly families. Anthony DeStefano just released a new book about Vinny Gorgeous Basciano this summer, haven't read it yet but I've heard good things.
This life of ours, this is a wonderful life. If you can get through life like this, hey, thats great. But it's very, very unpredictable. There are so many ways you can screw it up.-Paul Castellano (he would know)
"I'm not talking about Italians, I'm talking about criminals."-Joe Valachi
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: Revis_Knicks]
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10/21/13 12:15 AM
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Any real good upcoming mafia books? Preferably about the New York mafia families? Or even the NJ families or philly families. There's a new one out called The Mobster's Daughter. It's based in New York. I liked it. It's on Amazon.
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: Turi Giuliano]
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10/25/13 08:24 AM
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Can anybody tell me about Before bruno volume 3 1946-1959? i just ordered it even though i didnt read the first two but did anyone else enjoy it?
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: HandsomeStevie]
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10/26/13 05:05 PM
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Can anybody tell me about Before bruno volume 3 1946-1959? i just ordered it even though i didnt read the first two but did anyone else enjoy it? I read 'Blood and Honor', a very good read.
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: bigboy]
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10/26/13 07:31 PM
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LittleMan
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I have finished the Al D'Arco book and enjoyed it, and yes, as PMAC has said, there are things in there we've already seen, but overall it's a good book and I would recommend it to others. I'm struggling to finish this book. It seems that a large amount of the book is from before he was appointed acting boss. And personally, my interest is during the time he was promoted to acting boss to when he flipped. Bill Bonnano's book "The Last Testament" was a good read . Anybody else read this book? I read Bound By Honor, and found it interesting. Wondering if this is a rehash of similar info.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: LittleMan]
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11/14/13 02:01 PM
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I have finished the Al D'Arco book and enjoyed it, and yes, as PMAC has said, there are things in there we've already seen, but overall it's a good book and I would recommend it to others. I'm struggling to finish this book. It seems that a large amount of the book is from before he was appointed acting boss. And personally, my interest is during the time he was promoted to acting boss to when he flipped. I finished the book, and it ended up being a very good read. D'Arco was painted as a somewhat sympathetic figure, as they all are. But he seemed believable. I wish the book went into more detail about his relationship with Paulie Vario. He worked with Paulie and even took over his crew....there must have been a lot of stories left out. Also, the story relating to the Beck-Cuomo Ray's Pizzeria was very interesting. It was famous for their pizza, and it was surprising to read about how it was a front for drugs. It was interesting that Little Davey Petillo was one of D'Arco's earliest mentors in the crime business. Petillo was the guy convicted with Luciano in the prostitution case. Also, the book pulls no punches about the mob's heavy involvement with drugs. However, as usual, our hero gets pinched for narcotics despite getting a very raw deal from the judge and jury. We have the main character claiming that he wants nothing to do with narcotics... despite spending prison time for dealing H, having a son addicted and also dealing, and a daughter in law addicted. Reminded me a bit of Lucky Luciano insisting he had nothing to do with drugs despite having nobody believe him. There were also contracting stories between Capeci and Carlo's books. Carlo's book accused D'Arco of lying on the stand, using Casso's stories as his own- in particular, claiming to be in commission meetings with the Chin. Capeci's book described D'Arco as being honest to a fault and was a star witness, who was highly sought after by prosecutors.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: BryanBricks]
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11/23/13 03:02 PM
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Definantly Mafia Dynasty. Being a luchese guy i didnt meant much to me, but gambino was one powerhouse It has some good stuff but Davis can play hard and fast with facts; there are couple of times he contradicts himself in the book (IIRC, he states Joe Bonnano was at Apalachin and not at Apalachin in two places in the book).
This life of ours, this is a wonderful life. If you can get through life like this, hey, thats great. But it's very, very unpredictable. There are so many ways you can screw it up.-Paul Castellano (he would know)
"I'm not talking about Italians, I'm talking about criminals."-Joe Valachi
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: HairyKnuckles]
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11/23/13 03:22 PM
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LittleMan
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I like to hear what is the best choice (both from Bill Bonanno): Bound By Honor or The Last Testament or are they complementary to each other? Bound by honor is an autobiography, while The Last Testament deals in detail with commission meetings Bill Bonanno attended, description of the history of the Mafia, the structure of a Mafia Family etc. One chapter deals with hitmen, another with initiation into the Mafia, the ritual used and the oaths taken. I´d say that The Last Testament is actually more of a scholar book (but with some holes, especially on the early history). They are both good reads. Two different kind of books, I´d say. Thanks for the info. Based on this, I'm going to check out the Last Testament. And I agree with JCB, in that I find a lot of what Bill says to be fictional. But true or false, he has interesting stories.
You shit-kicking, stinky, horse-manure-smelling motherfucker you! If you ever get out of line over there again, I'll smash your fucking head so hard you won't be able to get that cowboy hat on. You hear me? Fucking hick. -Nicky (Casino)
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: LittleMan]
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12/07/13 11:42 AM
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I have finished the Al D'Arco book and enjoyed it, and yes, as PMAC has said, there are things in there we've already seen, but overall it's a good book and I would recommend it to others. I'm struggling to finish this book. It seems that a large amount of the book is from before he was appointed acting boss. And personally, my interest is during the time he was promoted to acting boss to when he flipped. I finished the book, and it ended up being a very good read. D'Arco was painted as a somewhat sympathetic figure, as they all are. But he seemed believable. I wish the book went into more detail about his relationship with Paulie Vario. He worked with Paulie and even took over his crew....there must have been a lot of stories left out. Also, the story relating to the Beck-Cuomo Ray's Pizzeria was very interesting. It was famous for their pizza, and it was surprising to read about how it was a front for drugs. It was interesting that Little Davey Petillo was one of D'Arco's earliest mentors in the crime business. Petillo was the guy convicted with Luciano in the prostitution case. Also, the book pulls no punches about the mob's heavy involvement with drugs. However, as usual, our hero gets pinched for narcotics despite getting a very raw deal from the judge and jury. We have the main character claiming that he wants nothing to do with narcotics... despite spending prison time for dealing H, having a son addicted and also dealing, and a daughter in law addicted. Reminded me a bit of Lucky Luciano insisting he had nothing to do with drugs despite having nobody believe him. There were also contracting stories between Capeci and Carlo's books. Carlo's book accused D'Arco of lying on the stand, using Casso's stories as his own- in particular, claiming to be in commission meetings with the Chin. Capeci's book described D'Arco as being honest to a fault and was a star witness, who was highly sought after by prosecutors. Yeah I always got the feeling that the casso book was exaggerated way too much to make him look better. Like at one point in the book the author said something like "In mafiadom, Casso was a lot bigger than Sammy the Bull Gravano but the Feds had to use Sammy to testify against gigante rather than the favorable casso". I don't think casso was as big as Sammy. He was huge in his own right but not like that. Sammy was underboss of the Gambino's while Casso was underboss of the Lucchese's. Come on. I can't imagine that casso made more or had more power than Sammy. I'm sure there were lies in both the D'Arco and Casso book
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