BWT what is the Chicago Crime Commission?

I've seen them quoted for years.

Do they know what they're talking about?

And what is the laborers site, isdn or whatever it is.

Is that reporting accurate?

I think Goudie got one thing wrong. The Heights and 26th St. are have been one crew since Johnny Apes. Matassa is EP.

The media often confuses Cicero, Melrose Park and Elmwood Park. Cicero and Melrose Park are one crew.

The thing is, from that report, that info either came from the CCC or the FBI, and the way it is phrased, it's the CCC.

That is why I was wondering if they really knew what they were talking about or if they are just amateur "mobologists" like most other writers etc.

The Feds also told you that Family Secrets, which didn't even touch the current boss, and the previous 10 Outfit trials beforehand "crushed" the Chicago cosa nostra family. You gonna take their word there too? The Feds don't know everything...in Chicago they are busier focusing on politicians than following around the few gangsters that remain.

They never said that.

In fact Mitch Mars came out after FS and said the exact opposite. I remember the quote nearly verbatim, "The Outfit isn't going anywhere and neither are we."

Why would the FBI ever diminish the stature of the Outfit?

That would essentially be telling their budget director in Washington to decrease their budget. That ain't how government works.

ChiTown makes good points and as I've stated before if you concentrate strictly on the Italians you'll never get the whole scope. Bernstein is good but Detroit is his wheelhouse. As I've watched for years I've never heard the real boss of the South Side mentioned. Interesting void of information in the Southerly direction.

Matassa is a Cicero guy even though he sometimes drives Marco D'Amico around. He likely reports to Solly D.

Here is an old photo of Pudge:


Cicero and Melrose Park are not one crew...guys like Marco, Dote and Andriacchi are from Melrose Park

Please they use more sensationalist language than anyone in their materials...again, Chicago is different and there are no "active budgets" or agents focused on the mob. They just have bigger fish to fry here...but when something falls right into their lap (like Frank Calabrese Jr.) then they will put on a big dog and pony show and pat themselves on the back.

Your photos are pretty impressive, ChiTown!

Ha... you must have some stories to have stuff like that.

I believe that is incorrect. There are FBI agents actively working on the Outfit. It was posted in an article in these forums some time ago. Yes, it was only a handful.

Well, of course they pat themselves on the back.

They want to appear like they are doing a good job just like nearly everyone.

Matassa has a good union job with the Transit Unit I read.

Maybe this will help. Next to last paragraph.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/08/12/grant-organized-crime-alive-and-well-in-chicago/

Yes, excellent.

Pudge wears the Chicago mustache very well.

Jim Wagner was head of the CCC until 2009...and he was an OC FBI squad Supervisor. I'm guessing his connections and experience would rate more than mob watcher status.

Btw that article with Grant is pretty crazy when you think about it. Only one full time OC squad in Chicago and only two for NYC. Amazing to see how much of their resources have gone to Terrorism.

Yeah... well, even at their worst probably 99 percent of the mob homicides were against other gangsters.

Far less of a public threat than Islamic terrorists!

I think the biggest threat from the mob these days is corruption. But I suppose that has nearly always been the case.

I wonder if those two squads in NYC are devoted to LCN exclusively or if that includes other OC ethnic groups like Grant says the OC squad in Chicago is set up. The other thread seems to indicate that they are focused on LCN, but who knows.


ChiTown, in your estimation how many made members are there these days?

The two new york squads are devoted to inveistigating lcn. Theres one squad for the
Genovese, Colombo, and Bonanno families and the other squad is for the gambino and luchese families.

Any idea many squads devoted to OC of other ethnic groups like the Russians?

I have no real concept...but I would assume it is a small number and that is a strategic design by them. Most of the ones that are made and major leaders are interrelated to other made members...in fact if someone were to paste a list of made members, I could probably say who was related or married to who. Again a strategic design...though the Calabrese family might make you think otherwise, I think we can all agree it is much harder to testify against your in-laws or uncles.

i believe there is a unit dedicated to what the feds refer to as Eurasian OC groups which includes russians and albanians among others. i know they used to have a squad solely dedicated to Asian OC groups but im not sure if it wasn't combined with another unit with all the downsizing going on, then they have other units to investigate DTOs like the colombians and mexicans.

1. Joseph Andriacchi
2. Dominic Basso
3. Robert Bellavia
4. Frank Calabrese
5. Bruno Caruso
6. Frank Caruso
7. Leo Caruso
8. Marco D'Amico
9. John DiFronzo
10. Joseph DiFronzo
11. Peter M. DiFronzo
12. Salvatore DeLaurentis
13. Rudolph Fratto
14. Michael Gurgone
15. James Inendino
16. Joseph Frank LaMantia
17. Joseph Lombardo
18. Rocco Lombardo
19. Michael Magnifichi
20. James Marcello
21. Louis Marino
22. John Matassa
23. Salvatore Muserino
24. Albert Roverio
25. Michael Spano Sr.
26. John Eugene Spizzirri
27. Richard Allen Spizzirri
28. Michael C. Talarico

If the chronology on the Goudie piece is correct, the guys convicted under FS would not have been included in the 28.

1. Joseph Andriacchi
2. Dominic Basso
3. Robert Bellavia
4. Frank Calabrese
5. Bruno Caruso
6. Frank Caruso
7. Leo Caruso
8. Marco D'Amico
9. John DiFronzo
10. Joseph DiFronzo
11. Peter M. DiFronzo
12. Salvatore DeLaurentis
13. Rudolph Fratto
14. Michael Gurgone
15. James Inendino
16. Joseph Frank LaMantia
17. Joseph Lombardo
18. Rocco Lombardo
19. Michael Magnifichi
20. James Marcello
21. Louis Marino
22. John Matassa
23. Salvatore Muserino
24. Albert Roverio
25. Michael Spano Sr.
26. John Eugene Spizzirri
27. Richard Allen Spizzirri
28. Michael C. Talarico

Not sure who the other three would be.

Pretty sure one would have to be Mike Sarno.
Chris Spina?
Joe Cullotta/Calato?

Can anyone name the made/ connected guys in Vegas? or do I need to start another thread?

Basso is dead

You'd have to also add Vena to that list.

It's come up on here before but I can't remember who or where.

Yeah, I was going to say Vena.

And I forgot Don Scalise, if he is still alive. Fosco claims he is made but was shelved by DiFronzo a few years back.

Fosco also claims Joe DiFronzo isn't made and we all know what he thinks about Marco.

Don Scalise died a few months back