1 registered members (m2w),
1,000
guests, and 29
spiders. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums21
Topics43,337
Posts1,086,004
Members10,381
|
Most Online1,245
|
|
|
Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal
[Re: mike68]
#754301
12/19/13 02:11 PM
12/19/13 02:11 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 582
TonyBoy117
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 582
|
I believe Vito, Rocco Sollecito, Vincenzo DiMaulo, Domenico Manno, Francesco Arcadi, Tony Mucci, Antonio Volpato, Emmanuelle Ragusa and possibly some Cotroni's still are Bonnano members
Last edited by TonyBoy117; 12/19/13 02:12 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal
[Re: moneyman]
#754321
12/19/13 02:53 PM
12/19/13 02:53 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 179
Antonio
Made Member
|
Made Member
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 179
|
If he's like the mafiosi back in Italy then I reckon it is simply as you stated, because his family were wiped out and like any down to heart Italian mafioso would definitely want to get back at the people responsible.
The Americans don't even kill rats anymore, I mean I really think although it may benefit them in the long run, it does set a bad example. In Italy you wouldn't hear of any mafia letting something like that happen and just forget about it.
Last edited by Antonio; 12/19/13 02:54 PM.
Tony Soprano : I thought I told you to back off Beansie!
Richie Aprile : I did, Then I put it in drive..
|
|
|
Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal
[Re: moneyman]
#754327
12/19/13 03:03 PM
12/19/13 03:03 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,026
mike68
OP
Underboss
|
OP
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,026
|
I'd be interested to know, from people in the know about Montreal, is this all connected to Rizzuto killing people for betraying him?
With so many OC connected murders lately up there it makes me wonder , maybe this "whole getting back at Desjardins" theory is wrong and something else is going on… I mean why all the risk just to prove a point? I guess he did kill his father and son and Rizzuto just does not give a F. Because of the laws (particularly a lack of RICO in Canada), the 'risk' you ask about is a whole lot less than in the U.S. I think that this is definitely Vito adopting a scorched earth policy to anyone who tried to hurt his family and organization. He is getting guys everywhere, Gallo in Mexico, Calauti in Ontario (rumored to be the gunman that killed his father), Joe Bravo in Italy, Ponytail in prison(unless he took the cyanide on purpose, which is possible, and you can technically blame that on Vito as well). This, at the very least, sends a very powerful message not to f$$$ with his organization while he is living and will cause people to think twice before trying something like that again.
Last edited by mike68; 12/19/13 03:04 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal
[Re: mike68]
#754357
12/19/13 04:56 PM
12/19/13 04:56 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 35 Baltimore, MD
ForgettableName
Wiseguy
|
Wiseguy
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 35
Baltimore, MD
|
Canada's organized crime laws are a joke, I'd bet he ends up getting busted maybe one more time and at most does a couple years. If he retires in comfort wouldn't be shocked in the least. If I had to guess I'd say eventually the family control gets passed down to his son Leonardo,(Although apparently he has another living son Sebastiano "Lucky" Rizzuto) with people like Francsco Del Balso, Lorenzo Giordano, and Rocco Sollecito's sons serving as the council.
Of course theirs always the possibility that Dominic and Giuseppe Violi as well as the rest of the Calabrians take another shot, but at this point I can't see it happening.
The name is forgettable, I hope the posts are not.
|
|
|
Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal
[Re: mike68]
#754684
12/21/13 11:52 AM
12/21/13 11:52 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 943 Baltimore
HandsomeStevie
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 943
Baltimore
|
I would not want to be one of Desjardins friends or family. Rizzuto is taking out EVERYONE! I seriously doubt its all coincidental.
Death Before Dishonor
|
|
|
Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal
[Re: moneyman]
#754693
12/21/13 01:08 PM
12/21/13 01:08 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,862
antimafia
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,862
|
I'd be interested to know, from people in the know about Montreal, is this all connected to Rizzuto killing people for betraying him?
With so many OC connected murders lately up there it makes me wonder , maybe this "whole getting back at Desjardins" theory is wrong and something else is going on… I mean why all the risk just to prove a point? I guess he did kill his father and son and Rizzuto just does not give a F. Good points, Rizzuto must have a ton of shooters behind him- wonder when this will end- rico or not this is a huge body count. If you had to guess, do you think Rizzuto will be arrested or killed? The guy seems untouchable right now. moneyman: You and I may never have another exchange here in the future, so let me express now how refreshing it is to read your posts in this thread. You are sensible. You show the humility necessary to try to understand the violence that both preceded and followed Vito Rizzuto's release from prison. You ask questions rather than assert that each new murder victim in the Montreal area and elsewhere was on Vito Rizzuto's "revenge" list of targets. Living in Toronto, I feel I'm half a world away from Montreal; feel I'm years away from truly understanding the Montreal mob war. There are a lot of what I like to call headscratchers regarding this war. A recent case in point: the newest victim, Roger Valiquette, was said to have had close ties to Tonino Callocchia, the man who survived a murder attempt in Laval (immediately north of Montreal) on February 1 of this year. Callocchia was reported to be the brother-in-law of the imprisoned Vincenzo Armeni, a major Calabrian drug trafficker based in the Montreal area who commands a lot of respect in the Montreal underworld for various reasons, including being the nephew of Giuseppe Armeni. Valiquette was considered to be a close associate of Raynald Desjardins. On May 9 of this year, Callocchia was arrested for threatening a woman close to Desjardins. Last month, on November 24, visitation appears to have taken place at the Rizzuto-clan-owned funeral home in Montreal for Ernesta Alvaro Armeni, the mother of Vincenzo Armeni. Vincenzo Armeni's father also appears to have been shown at this funeral home in late December 2006. The death notices for Vincenzo Armeni's parents suggest that Callocchia is not his brother-in-law. There are many more of these headscratchers. The reality is that no poster on here entirely knows the motives behind the murders, attempted murders, and kidnappings of the last few years. A sizable majority of us, including me, have followed the war by reading current newspaper articles and the Mafia inc. book published in the Fall of 2010, as well as the book's epilogue published 10 months later. The problem is, you can't claim to understand what is truly going on in this war unless you make the extra effort to find other sources of information, such as the Quebec government's ongoing inquiry into corruption in the construction industry, pronouncements in the media (TV, Twitter, Facebook, etc.) by organized-crime experts, journalists, and authors, older newspaper articles and books, and books and articles that are about another subject (hint: Canadian outlaw bikers and gangs) but yield some significant information about Italian-Canadian crime figures and groups. You also have to challenge and question a lot of what you read, which includes noting when organized-crime experts, journalists, and authors are inconsistent in their interviews, reporting, etc. The Mafia inc. book had so many insights when I first read it, but I now realize the book has too many errors in it for me to consider it a highly valuable contribution to the literature of Canadian organized crime -- the book is still important, but my biggest gripe is that it was not solidly researched. I don't have any doubt that Rizzuto has ordered the murders of some of the victims who have been killed since he got out last October. If one article from this past Thursday is correct, Rizzuto had Valiquette in his sights because Valiquette and Callocchia had taken over territory that Rizzuto wants back. You are right to question whether Rizzuto is an untouchable. He isn't. No one is. To believe otherwise is pure foolishness.
|
|
|
Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal
[Re: mike68]
#754814
12/22/13 04:32 AM
12/22/13 04:32 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,017
SonnyBlackstein
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,017
|
@anti mafia:
Very good post. Informative. My thanks.
Though in clarification of your final words, no Vito is not untouchable. But that's not the question which should be asked. The question should be 'who is most untouchable?' And that, well the answer there is almost rhetorical.
Vito is the power, and independent of NY. And though the politics is a combination of the 8 odd Calabrian Ndrangheta clans in Toronto, Italy and Vito's independent family in Montreal, several points are now clear. Vito is the boss and his conduit to Italy to move cocaine is in his power with the acquiescence and servitude of the Toronto Calabrian clans.
The blood letting is directly or indirectly a settling of scores and reaffirmation of Vito's consolidation of power.
The best hope at a light on the situation is Reynald rolls over. And if he's smart he will as jail nor free air is beyond Vito's reach of retribution.
And regarding whether Vito is the most powerful boss in NA? I think there's little doubt. Vito's international connections, Italian, South American etc, his consolidation of absolute power in Montreal with the acceptance of the Calabrian factions in Montreal, the literal 100's of millions he directly controls with the drug pipe line and a monopoly of construction in Quebec? I don't even see it as a question.
Last edited by SonnyBlackstein; 12/22/13 04:34 AM.
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack. CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go. MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'. WILL: So don't go.
|
|
|
Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal
[Re: antimafia]
#755680
12/27/13 01:29 AM
12/27/13 01:29 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,862
antimafia
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,862
|
[snip]
A recent case in point: the newest victim, Roger Valiquette, was said to have had close ties to Tonino Callocchia, the man who survived a murder attempt in Laval (immediately north of Montreal) on February 1 of this year. Callocchia was reported to be the brother-in-law of the imprisoned Vincenzo Armeni, a major Calabrian drug trafficker based in the Montreal area who commands a lot of respect in the Montreal underworld for various reasons, including being the nephew of Giuseppe Armeni. Valiquette was considered to be a close associate of Raynald Desjardins. On May 9 of this year, Callocchia was arrested for threatening a woman close to Desjardins. Last month, on November 24, visitation appears to have taken place at the Rizzuto-clan-owned funeral home in Montreal for Ernesta Alvaro Armeni, the mother of Vincenzo Armeni. Vincenzo Armeni's father also appears to have been shown at this funeral home in late December 2006. The death notices for Vincenzo Armeni's parents suggest that Callocchia is not his brother-in-law.
There are many more of these headscratchers. [snip] Two days ago (December 24), Daniel Renaud of La Presse compiled a list of individuals who are potential candidates to replace Vito Rizzuto -- see http://plus.lapresse.ca/screens/4d61-a978-52b8a8da-8089-38adac1c6068%7C.rwjAIzX.m-j.html.Earlier this year, when Renaud wrote about the failed murder attempt on Tonino Callocchia's life on February 1, Renaud identified Callocchia as someone who sources had said was one of a number of individuals who had sided against Rizzuto. Now Callocchia is seen as a successor to Vito. Hmm. #MontrealMafia #headscratcher
|
|
|
Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal
[Re: antimafia]
#759904
01/23/14 02:45 PM
01/23/14 02:45 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 66
AntonioRotolo
Button
|
Button
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 66
|
[quote=antimafia][snip]
Earlier this year, when Renaud wrote about the failed murder attempt on Tonino Callocchia's life on February 1, Renaud identified Callocchia as someone who sources had said was one of a number of individuals who had sided against Rizzuto. Now Callocchia is seen as a successor to Vito.
Hmm.
#MontrealMafia #headscratcher This Tanino Callocchia angle is definitely interesting. The only thing I could find on Callocchia before the shooting was he was shortly mentioned in the Colisee indictment. " Balso explains that Saturday , a Tony Callocchia sent him a message and told him that there were problems. He then mentioned the name Pietro , then said Lorenzo followed by " there are problems ." He then issue Colombians Toronto. Later ARCADI request confirmation that Callocchia called and said DEL balso to the " stuff " was here. Later , he asks where it is claimed that Callocchia and DEL balso meets the third said he had put inside . ARCADI said, and this guy has not sent DEL balso confirms that it has not sent. Further , DEL balso said the word proof tracking get the papers. it then issue numbers 1500 , 2000, and he said again that there is another 1000 loan. Rocco SOLLECITO then told that another person has paid 1500. Later DEL balso said that something happened during those two weeks , Giuseppe TORRE said in Boucherville, Rocco SOLLECITO told this place . Thereafter , ARCADI mentions that now it will be out in the Gazette. Rocco SOLLECITO told the newspaper .
|
|
|
Re: Another Desjardins associate whacked in Montreal
[Re: mike68]
#916759
07/10/17 05:51 AM
07/10/17 05:51 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,862
antimafia
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,862
|
|
|
|
|