I was reading Mob Killer book on Charles Carneglia and it said John Carneglia, his older brother and a made guy in Senior Gotti's crew, despised Junior and said if he (Carneglia) wasn't in prison he would have killed Junior. Could this have been possible ? Seems to violate ever LCN protocol I've ever heard of...

No point. Too much heat and hes out of the life.

tommy, I didn't mean now, I meant back in 1983. also, I was wondering if John Carneglia was not in prison if he could have hit Junior, given he would have had to get the OK from other families.

John Carneglia (also my user name) was Gotti Senior's most trusted soldier, and was hoping to succeed Senior as capo.

BTW, how's it going in the garment district Tommy ? I had a lot of respect for your dad, he kept a low profile unlike Gotti Senior, and died a natural death at an advanced age :-)

Killing the son or close relative of a made member, even if he's just an associate, is a very delicate matter. Usually it has to be okayed by someone who is a lot politically powerful than the family member or if the family member associate fucks up so bad that the made guy can't protect them.

Junior was a Gambino associate (in 1983) and Gotti's son, so it would it would be a Gambino matter to handle, it would been seen as meddling in Gambino family internal affairs if he went outside of the family to get help. Unless there was a reason for them to gain something, another family wouldn't want to touch it with a ten foot pole-more trouble than it's worth.

If Carneglia was under John (IRRC), he could have made a sort of appeal to Dellacroce about it, but that would have been a death sentence since Dellacroce and Gotti were so tight that Dellacroce would have told Gotti about it and that would have been the end of Carneglia. It's not polite to ask permission to kill you capo's son, made man or not. Gotti could have eliminated a threat to his son and got an excuse to take over Carneglia's operations in one stroke.

Do you think most of the wiseguys in today's mafia follow honor, code and rules?

It's not about honor but getting yourself killed for an unsanctioned hit.

In the book "Surviving the Mob" Andrew DiDonato (sp?), an associate in Nicky Corozzo's crew mentions that there was talk of hitting Jr Gotti in the mid 90's.

What the status of Nicky and JoJo, are they both behind bars with release dates..??

Jo Jo is due out in 2016, Nicky in 2020.

Would have never happened back then. Still too many Gotti guys around.

Some on this board have said that Junior is tight with the Corozzo crew, which I would think is probably one of the more respected crews out there today.