Thanks Lou_Para.

JCB 1977
What was the arraingment as far as between mike Genovese and youngstown what kind money was strollo turning over from 1992 to 1997

Go0 back to Wikipedia son, I have been in and around the life for almost 40 years and have seen and forgotten more then you'll ever know...grow up

"I don't want to get into a pis*ing match with any other members,but for my money JCB1977 is the gold standard when it comes to Pittsburgh Mob Stuff"

Ummmm...anyone who claims Bobby I is an "independent" and not a made guy is not the "gold standard" for anything
That might just be in the top 10 most ridiculous claims I have ever heard onn this or ANY topic.

Arm,

I challenge you to show the board one document that says Bobby Iannelli is made. You won't find one. He is and always was independent of LCN. The information I have provided comes from the FBI, Pennsylvania Crime Commission and extensive interviews with FBI agents and former mobsters. Until you come up with a federal document, just stay off the thread.

If you are depending on "federal documents" that explains a LOT. They are not only unreliablee, but sometimes even funny. Some great examples were that they for years had Joe Falcone (Buffalo Capo and one time acting underboss) listed as a"Buffalino family soldier", another one wwas when they claimed the "Core of three of the five NY families was desimated and there were now only 2 operating family in NY" They also had me as a made guy, I was flattered but I was in fact never made.
The fact the Bobby is the ACTUAL underboss and the defacto boss of the family is widely known by anyone who knows tit from twat about the streets, and even articals and reports from casual observers all over the internet and the media confim this....this is basic common knowledge. Trying to get factual info from agents, cops and rats is NEVER a good idea

When Mike Genovese took over in January of 1985, he walked in to a well oiled machine as far as revenue is concerned. Pittsburgh had assumed total control of Youngstown and Warren, OH by that time after the fallout of Cleveland. By 1988, Jimmy Prato had died and Joey Naples and Lenny Strollo were co-boss of the area. Both had their own factions, but they split everything down the middle. In Youngstown, there was an illegal casino called the All American Club that the FBI considered the "largest illegal casino" in the country which grossed $20 million per year. The casino alone paid $250k per month to Mike Genovese who split the proceeds between his top 5 guys. Henry "Zebo" Zottola was the conduit between Youngstown and Pittsburgh and he came in every week to meet Bernie "The Jew" Altshuler who gave him the envelopes. This exchange usually took place at the Captain's Table restaurant inside the Ramada Inn Hotel, in which Strollo was the silent owner. On top of the illegal casino money, the monthly cut to Pittsburgh was anywhere between $20-$25k per month. By August of 1991, Joey Naples was gunned down at the construction site of the mansion he was building in Beaver Township, OH and Strollo assumed total control of the Youngstown Rackets. Keep in mind that Strollo was in prison from 1987-1990 and then on federal monitoring from the All American Club casino bust. On top of that, Joey Naples and Lenny Strollo also took a piece of all the drug money that was run in the African American community. By the mid 1980's, crack cocaine was the dominant street drug in the ghetto's and they put Bernie Altshuler in charge of overseeing all the top drug dealers and they took a cut of the proceeds as well. No exact figure was ever given, but the FBI estimated that is was anywhere from $10k-20k per month that went to Naples/Strollo.

One of the biggest moneymakers was bingo games at the local churches. The Youngstown/Pittsburgh faction had a skim in place for over 40 years all credited to one of the top guys in the family, Charles "Charlie Murgie" Imburgia, who was the longtime consigliere in Pittsburgh. Charlie lived in Warren, OH and owned the Sunrise Inn Pizza parlor/restaurant. Charlie's son in law was Frank Nannicola, who owned the largest distributorship of bingo supplies in the nation called, Nannicola Wholesale. Through Charlie's connections, churches and social halls ordered all their supplies from him and Charlie set up the skimming operation in Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Western New York and Florida. Their biggest place that they infiltrated was the Pacar Center in New Castle, PA and this game grossed $3.1 million per year. Any church or social hall that had bingo games were skimmed in the tri state area and in Florida. This provided over $10 million per year of cash for the family. Check out a few of these articles:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=XIJcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=41YNAAAAIBAJ&pg=1737,2532222&dq=joey+naples+murder&hl=en (Joey Naples Murder)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1144&dat=19870406&id=C7UqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NWMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3986,4378429 (All AMerican Club Bust)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1144&dat=19920201&id=YrUcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CGQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1129,15357 (Bingo Skimming Operation)

http://old.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010527ytngraphictextnat9.asp (The Strollo Enterprise-Corrupt officials he had in his pocket)

Point being?

This is getting to good

While I agree that one cannot get "all" information from the Feds, through extensive interviews for our project, two high ranking members stated that Bobby Iannelli was never made, as he had the same arrangement with Mike Genovese that Tony Grosso had with John LaRocca. LCN let these guys operate without paying a lot of tribute as long as Tony G and Bobby I agreed to share all the cops/politicians/judges as well as get a heads up with any raids that were coming from the locals. In 50 years of investigations, Bobby I was NEVER named as a made member. With the success that the Feds had against Pittsburgh since the mid 1980's and with all the information that Chucky Porter gave to the FBI from prison for over 8 years, there is no question without a doubt that Bobby I would have been mentioned as a member of LCN.

Arm,

For the record, I am not minimizing Bobby Iannelli's influence. According to Dick Thornburgh in his book called "Where the evidence leads" and according to Special Agents Roger Greenbank and Bob Garrity, all evidence points to my statement. Chucky Porter gave the Feds "everything" to take down the Pittsburgh mob. He gave them the entire Youngstown operation, the infiltration of the Rincon Indian Casino, a list of all known members of the LaRocca Family as well as independent gambling operatives. When Roger Greenbank asked Chucky Porter about Bobby I, Chucky stated that Bobby had the same arrangement as Tony Grosso. This statement came from the Underboss of the LaRocca Crime Family. If he gave up everything else, why wouldn't he tell the Feds that Bobby I was made? Doesn't make any sense. He gave up Henry Zottola, Lenny Strollo, Pat Feruccio, John Bazzano Jr., Sonny Ciancutti (who was subsequently indicted on major gambling charges back in 2000 because of Porter's information pipeline), Sonny Amato, Frank Unis Jr. as well as information on mob hits that were ordered. The FBI stated that Porter's information was like money in the bank at his hearing and the judge allowed him to walk out of prison because of his truthfulness with Greenbank and Garrity.

I am going to mercifully not post the 1500 or so links I could produce proving my statement correct...you are as capable of doing a Google search as I and seeing the same information. But that makes no difference. I know personally first hand up close and personal with contact as recently as 2 years ago that Booby has been made since the 80s, is the underboss by title and boss by actions.
Belive what you like, just know that you are relying on sources that are notoriously inaccurate, and your statements cut against the grain of VOLUMES of conflisting information.
IJS.
We shall agree to disagree

We shall agree to disagree. And I have first hand information as well from my uncle who was a high ranking made guy, Chucky Porter and Lenny Strollo. Mike Genovese made 5 guys during his reign: Chucky Porter, Sonny Ciancutti, Lenny Strollo, Joey Naples and Henry Zottola. When Mike Genovese died, John Bazzano Jr. oversaw most of the gambling but by then, there were hardly any "members" left alive.

So you being from Rockford go to Pittsburgh. And they just start telling you how there making guys and Bobby is running the show?

You're using the same tired methods, not to mention the same tired phrases, that many forum frauds in the past have used. You're not even original with your BS.

Son, you are embarassing yourself, I am even becomeing embarassed for you. Save yourself the humiliation and do what you do best, cut and paste newspaper stories and parrot internet myth...or better yet, listen to people like me who know something and you just might become educated...could happen

I am not from Rockford, I am from New York but I have known guys from there for 30 years, and I now live 45 minuites from there. I am not from Pittsburgh but I have know guys from there since the 80s.
This is the differnce between someone like myself and people who get their "inside info" from news reports and FBI internet files. When you form 30 year old relationships you become privy to things.
As for Bobby running the show, this doesnt even qualify as "inside info" anymore. It has been widely reported and is widely known.

No matter how much I have tried to stay out of the foolishness that continues with the dribble TheArm continues to blabber, try this: If your 30 year relationships with God know who then my 40 year face-time with all the players ,from top to bottom, in Pittsburgh must count for more. Although never a member , my Dad and I were close "family friends". Just consider my handle. That being said: I find JCB to be one of the foremost, if not the top, historians on the Pittsburgh LCN than anyone else.

I have no qualms with you arm, let's just agree to disagree...and for the record, Friend of Henry was not only privy to being around "the highest ranking" members, but he has more knowledge of their personal lives than "any" of us. That's a fact. I appreciate your interest and enthusiasm about the topic, but let's get back to the topic.

JCB Russell was a Sicilian he went all over the place and had a few interests in Philadelphia as well. When the old man got hit back in 80 he was pretty much done with a lot of the "Americanized" gangsters. When tragedy struck too many guys close to him had problems. He had money, he was getting older, he didn't want or need problems. He also distanced himself more then you would think from the other families. Including Pittsburgh and Cleveland. We'll talk sometime via private message. I see you've researched a hell of a lot of information. When you interviewed Agent Greenbank did you joke with him about taking any extra Christmas Cash . Don't answer that I'm sure I'll come across you on these boards sometime later..

Russell was no doubt one of the biggest mafia kingpins in history...one of his best friends was longtime LaRocca Family Underboss Gabriel "Kelly" Mannarino. Mannarino died in July of 1980, but he an Russell had quite a few business interests in Havana, Cuba

Buffalo since Detroit is still active. KC is dead.

I'll take info from law enforcement and OC experts over yet another mob insider on the internet. Since we're online, people can make up anything they want. And many have long before you. Fortunately, most of them eventually get outed as frauds. I think you'll probably be no different.



If one takes away bogus internet charts (which fuel much of the misunderstanding), and just looks at the relative amount of mob cases, there isn't much difference (if any) between Detroit and Buffalo or Kansas City.

using way too much salt!!! maybe that's at least part of the problem. word on the street is that this monstrosity was at least partly responsible for "SULLY" getting pinched. now to be fair, i have no way or intention of proving my theory, so just trust me!

I have no doubt "many before me" told you you were full of it son...Likie I told you, you cut and paste stories about the Carcones, I grew up with the Carcones.
That's the difference.

I'm 5'11 210 pal, clearly you have me confused with someone else. Sully got pinched becuse he put his fate in the hands of wannabes who cracked the second the agents put heat on them.

quit yo yappin 'fo i get to clappin!

Shouldn't you be in WalMart jackibng $12 watches with the rest of the mutts?

The difference is Detroit has an identifiable leadership and enough made members for multiple crews. I'll take the word of the FBI and Michigan State Police. When they say the Detroit mob is dead then I'll believe it

Well said