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Re: messina Denaro
[Re: Giacomo_Vacari]
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01/06/14 08:29 PM
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I don't think he has long left. The Italian government was desperate to arrest him and arrested his inner circle. Most Sicilian bosses do not flee there territories when they are on the run. Messina still has a few trusted lieutenants not in prison, but with the amount of pressure the Italian government has put on the mafia clans, he won't stay hidden for very long unless he left Sicily already. He does not trust even "trusted lieutenants" with where he is. He only trusts his blood family. He's been on the run for 20 years and people have been saying for 20 years he doesn't have long left.
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Re: messina Denaro
[Re: Giacomo_Vacari]
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01/06/14 08:49 PM
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That is true carmela, but the only way I can see him not being apprehended is if he had left Sicily which is very doubtful. carmela, with is blood relatives locked up now I say he has about a few years left. about fourteen of the mafia clans in Trapani are still loyal to him, the other six to ten I am unsure if they are still loyal to Denaro. People have been say he won't have long left, but now who does he still have contact left to command the mafia in Trapani? Only a few people but they are being watched as well. All of Trapani is loyal to him. All of Agrigento is loyal to him. He was at the head of making the new cupola..granted it was a huge blitz (nuova cupola), but most have been let go by now. He's got plenty of blood family around him still. The Messina's, the Salemi's, his mother's family...there's still plenty of family. He holds the black dossier and as long as he does, he won't be caught. Politics.
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Re: messina Denaro
[Re: pacosmart22]
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01/06/14 11:46 PM
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Well I think we're talking in circles, Giacomo. He's only as good as the people around him, yes. I say that all the time. But he has plenty of blood family around him still protecting him.
As far as the meeting at the game in Palermo, they were putting together a new cupola, with Gerlandino Messina at the head. Messina had just moved his hideout to Favara, after 11 years on the run. They had feared he was already being watched and what happens next. And what happened next was huge on Oct 23, 2010, with his capture. When he was captured, they found notes that were going to MMD. So the cupola was at risk and what happened next was, by June 2012, they were all arrested, cosa nostra and stidde alike.
That was pretty funny...they all came in balls to the wall from Rome thinking who they were, then they all just up and left. lol That was in 2012, too,I believe.
Palermo having MMD killed is just absurd in my opinion, but anything is possible, I guess. What would be the point? He's got a lot of loyalties and pull in Palermo as well. Who's in charge of Palermo these days anyway?
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Re: messina Denaro
[Re: carmela]
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01/08/14 07:12 AM
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Nice to hear some news about what is going on currently in Italy!
Can i please ask, what are the 'black dossiers' which have been mentioned? I have never heard of these. I remember reading somewhere that Riina had some incriminating evidence that he had with him at him home, is this what you are referring to? I believe i read this in The Last Godfathers book. Yes, that's it. Thanks for the reply Carmela.
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Re: messina Denaro
[Re: LaLouisiane]
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01/08/14 11:46 AM
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Does anyone know what life is living on the run for 20 years? Someone should write a book on this guys time on the run when he is finally caught. To me it can't be that great always living in fear that the police will be knocking at your door. Also it can't be much of a social life besides your most trusted people dropping by to relay information to you... It's a shitty life and when they've been on the run for years and finally captured, it's almost a relief for them. Almost. But with these top bosses, they'll probably see their family members more when they're hiding out, b/c once caught they're thrown into 41-bis, which is an isolation for the rest of their lives, unless they talk. And they're only permitted one hour visitation a month and it's behind a glass partition. A knock at the door by police? lol Hardly. Here is how my husband's cousin, boss of Agrigento, Gerlandino Messina, was captured after 11 years on the run in Sicily. He was #2 on Italy's most wanted until his capture in 2010...the guy I mentioned earlier in this thread. It's the same way MMD will be taken, if he even comes out alive. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6PsiynGL5s
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Re: messina Denaro
[Re: carmela]
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01/08/14 12:55 PM
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Does anyone know what life is living on the run for 20 years? Someone should write a book on this guys time on the run when he is finally caught. To me it can't be that great always living in fear that the police will be knocking at your door. Also it can't be much of a social life besides your most trusted people dropping by to relay information to you... It's a shitty life and when they've been on the run for years and finally captured, it's almost a relief for them. Almost. But with these top bosses, they'll probably see their family members more when they're hiding out, b/c once caught they're thrown into 41-bis, which is an isolation for the rest of their lives, unless they talk. And they're only permitted one hour visitation a month and it's behind a glass partition. A knock at the door by police? lol Hardly. Here is how my husband's cousin, boss of Agrigento, Gerlandino Messina, was captured after 11 years on the run in Sicily. He was #2 on Italy's most wanted until his capture in 2010...the guy I mentioned earlier in this thread. It's the same way MMD will be taken, if he even comes out alive. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6PsiynGL5s That's a hell of a wake up call!
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Re: messina Denaro
[Re: dixiemafia]
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01/08/14 01:21 PM
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I've been on the other end of a DEA/ATF bust before. They fucked me up one cold morning in front of my neighbors and everything. Come to find out the lady that had the apartment before me was wanted for cooking meth and we had already been there 2-3 months when they hit the place. Talk about pissed! Had me standing out in 20 degree weather in my boxers! Haha was it like when they caught Johnny Sac on the Sopranos at his house?
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Re: messina Denaro
[Re: Dwalin2011]
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01/08/14 01:43 PM
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Since Gerlandino Messina is mentioned here, I have a question: is he known to have ordered any murders after becoming boss? Because everything he was convicted for he had done when he was just a young hitman. You know, I'm not even sure. You're right, though, by the time he was godfather, he already had multiple life sentences. I think he first killed someone when he was as young as 19. He killed a lot for Riina, including the police sergeant, Guazzelli. Then there was the 11-year old boy, Giuseppe di Matteo, who was captured by Messina on orders of Brusca. Messina told him he was taking him to see his father and then they blindfolded the boy and stuffed him into the van. That was pretty bad and he was convicted in absentia for that as well.
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Re: messina Denaro
[Re: pacosmart22]
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01/08/14 08:15 PM
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That sucks DM, it is a funny story to read.
carmela, as to who is running Palermo these days, it is hard to tell. Benedetto Caprize was nominated as the head of the commission when he was on house arrest, but wiretaps and notes that have been confiscated, that were passed from one mafia boss to another, indicating that at least half of mafia bosses of the Palermo province were wondering why Caprize was picked. I read that acting boss of the Bagheria family, Giuseppe Scaduto served as a buffer between those that were for and against Caprize getting the nomination. All this was back in 08'.
Now five years later, it is still hard to say, as Salvatore Buscemi of Passo di Rigano is said to have gained a lot of influence and is a strong contender. He and Torretta boss Vincenzo Brusca are both said to be strong supporters of having the exiled Inzerillo family to return to Sicily. Another boss that is said to be growing powerful is Luigi Caravello of Noce. Maybe Caravello can bring the power back to Noce again, but who knows, all of these are just rumors.
One thing I find funny about the media is when they call Denaro "The boss of bosses". Only a mafia boss with the strongest family from the province of Palermo can be called that. Matteo is from the province of Trapani and can not hold that title, if indeed the mafia clans of Sicily did bring back that title.
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Re: messina Denaro
[Re: Giacomo_Vacari]
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01/08/14 09:32 PM
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That sucks DM, it is a funny story to read.
carmela, as to who is running Palermo these days, it is hard to tell. Benedetto Caprize was nominated as the head of the commission when he was on house arrest, but wiretaps and notes that have been confiscated, that were passed from one mafia boss to another, indicating that at least half of mafia bosses of the Palermo province were wondering why Caprize was picked. I read that acting boss of the Bagheria family, Giuseppe Scaduto served as a buffer between those that were for and against Caprize getting the nomination. All this was back in 08'.
Now five years later, it is still hard to say, as Salvatore Buscemi of Passo di Rigano is said to have gained a lot of influence and is a strong contender. He and Torretta boss Vincenzo Brusca are both said to be strong supporters of having the exiled Inzerillo family to return to Sicily. Another boss that is said to be growing powerful is Luigi Caravello of Noce. Maybe Caravello can bring the power back to Noce again, but who knows, all of these are just rumors.
One thing I find funny about the media is when they call Denaro "The boss of bosses". Only a mafia boss with the strongest family from the province of Palermo can be called that. Matteo is from the province of Trapani and can not hold that title, if indeed the mafia clans of Sicily did bring back that title. I assume you mean Benedetto Capizzi? Riina was the only boss of bosses ever was and will ever be. I agree with you, even though the title of boss of bosses would have to be from Palermo, nobody wants it anymore, there's too much heat.
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