Wonder how power structure will change if both are found innocent. Borgesi strikes me as someone most Philly guys on the street want nothing to do with, while Ligambi seems like polar opposite.
@frank Do I think they are in the mob, for sure, do I think they probably get kick backs from guys on the street, for sure too. But do these guys deserve 20yrs for these little amount of $ with no violence ABSOLULEY NOT. That is my point of why I say they should be Let go.
Nice Guy - I think that thinking is the central part of the indecision by the jury. Jacobs made that point clear in his presentation - no act of violence.
Wonder how power structure will change if both are found innocent. Borgesi strikes me as someone most Philly guys on the street want nothing to do with, while Ligambi seems like polar opposite.
I could see Uncle Joe sitting back from now on retired and still getting pension payments kick ups.
George on the other hand I think will be a major problem coming back. He will feel entitled and I really couldn't blame him being he served his time plus say through 2 trials afterwards and stood up. It would also be interesting since Narducci is back in the fold and from the photos we seen from the 80s George, unlike the rest of the young turks aside from Johnny Chang grew up around and was accepted by the old Scarfo guys.
Everyone bashes Georgie but as a Gangster i bet you he is 1 of the main guys you want on your side, why do you think Skinny was his best friend along with mazzone, hes probably really good at what he does, and I mean in the Gangster world, he dont rat, gets his hands dirty and hes got Balls of steel, people on here may think he sucks, but i bet any old time G loves him, let me know what you think. Everything we ever heard about the guy was from out the mouths of RATS, you cant take everything they say as the truth. You all no that
@frank Do I think they are in the mob, for sure, do I think they probably get kick backs from guys on the street, for sure too. .
Me too. You’re right, they aren’t being charged with murder or violence. They are being charged with (basically): accepting “kick-backs” from: vending and video poker, gambling, and extortion (loans). So, without putting words in your mouth: it seems that you may think they are guilty too. If they are guilty, Federal Sentencing Guidelines don’t allow Hon. Robreno very much leeway in sentencing them. He gets a sentencing chart. So you'd be best served taking that complaint to your local Congressman.
If you think that sucks for Ligambi and Georgie, count them lucky. If this were state charges, during sentencing the judge is allowed to take everything into account. “Reasonable Doubt” becomes “Preponderance of the Evidence”, a lower standard. That means he can look at Staino’s threats, Mousie’s charges, Damion’s transgressions, etc. The judge can even convict Ligambi and Borgesi (as part of the criminal conspiracy), of the things that the jury was unable to convict on. Using that, he could potentially give them max time even if only convicted on 1 or 2 of the charges. If that were the case, I’d join you in your pre-judgment of Hon. Eduardo Robreno.
Didn't Borgesi get his ass kicked by some guy and then sent his pitbull Lou, Ant and two others to kick the guys ass? I heard Big Lou hit him with a Louisville Slugger as the guy was walking his dog. He also bragged about knocking out the Pillsbury Dough boy Lutz after he got his ass kicked. He also got his wife involved. I don't think he will win any points with any old timers for that.
@frank I know of another case that a guy by the name of Vito Scavo was convicted of multiple offenses and basically the same charges as these guys, when he was convicted his sentencing guidelines were the same as these guys but the judge realized that yes he did get convicted but the money involved was so petty an there was no violence so they only sentenced him to 6years, google him and tell me what you think of that. And NO i DONT think they are GUILTY i feel the charges are trummped up so therefore with my own experience when a judge realizes the DA trummped the charges they lose all credibility on the other ones, thats how it goes in Chicago my friend. And what are you a lawyer or prosecuter or something you definitley sound like you have the experience but not as an alleged criminal lol
@frank I know of another case that a guy by the name of Vito Scavo was convicted of multiple offenses and basically the same charges as these guys, when he was convicted his sentencing guidelines were the same as these guys but the judge realized that yes he did get convicted but the money involved was so petty an there was no violence so they only sentenced him to 6years, google him and tell me what you think of that. And NO i DONT think they are GUILTY i feel the charges are trummped up so therefore with my own experience when a judge realizes the DA trummped the charges they lose all credibility on the other ones, thats how it goes in Chicago my friend. And what are you a lawyer or prosecuter or something you definitley sound like you have the experience but not as an alleged criminal lol
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Didn't Borgesi get his ass kicked by some guy and then sent his pitbull Lou, Ant and two others to kick the guys ass? I heard Big Lou hit him with a Louisville Slugger as the guy was walking his dog. He also bragged about knocking out the Pillsbury Dough boy Lutz after he got his ass kicked. He also got his wife involved. I don't think he will win any points with any old timers for that.
Again this was out that stroke Rat Lous mouth, I really dont believe anything that Jag-off says, these guys are wannabees that didnt make the cut and then they get mad at there superiors for kicking em out the crew or giving them petty shit to do, if he hit him with a bat? whats this so called victims name? I bet he dont exist. And the old timers would love to know that you avenged a beating even if you lost fair n square, our motto growing up was "We smash Ants with sledgehammers", the only guys that deserve a 1 on 1 and no revenge on whoever wins is when its 2 friends or family of the guyys. Thats how Street Politics work my friend...#FreeTheGuys
Good point, not sure how Mazzone feels, I seem to remember that Ligambi and Borgesi had a falling out a couple of years ago? Not sure about Mazzone or Merlino
Interesting question though as to how Borgesi fits in with current Philly LCN (Chang, Mazzone, Lance, etc.) and how that transition would go down if he's found innocent.
Didn't Bent Finger say that Borgesi is still running the Delaware County crew? Wonder how much pull that would mean on the street now. Merlino seems smart enough to avoid any direct contact with any of these guys outside of his dad's funeral but who knows what Merlino is actually up to.
@vito Read the articles on this no good motherfucker, he tried ruining a lot of good guys lives because they wouldnt bow down to that [BadWord], but the joke was on him, he went to jail and all the guys are still on the street, its like a mini movie how the scenario played out.
Thanks for posting the links Vito
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YOU POSTED TOO MUCH LOL. Try to edit it cuz it's just taking up space
You gotta see Merlino on instagram, the guy is hilarious, I bet he only deals with hisDay 1 guys, Chang, Lance, Borgesi, marty, mazzone. The guy is not stupid, he is sharp and I think Georgie is the muscle, but who knows. But he definitely knows he can trust them, if they were beefers it would have happened in 01....They have a Standup Crew for those who tend to disagree. Salute from ChiRaq
What A great link Vito, the trib article is everything i basically said, hopefully FrankMazola reads it and calls his local congressman lollollol or calls that douchebag HON or ROBRENO and tells them what happend in ChiTown hahahaha
@frank I know of another case that a guy by the name of Vito Scavo was convicted of multiple offenses and basically the same charges as these guys, when he was convicted his sentencing guidelines were the same as these guys but the judge realized that yes he did get convicted but the money involved was so petty an there was no violence so they only sentenced him to 6years, google him and tell me what you think of that. And NO i DONT think they are GUILTY i feel the charges are trummped up so therefore with my own experience when a judge realizes the DA trummped the charges they lose all credibility on the other ones, thats how it goes in Chicago my friend. And what are you a lawyer or prosecuter or something you definitley sound like you have the experience but not as an alleged criminal lol
I don't need google to know who Chief Scavo is. The difference is he pleaded guilty. And I'm not getting into a Tri-State versus Chicago contest here. Just look up Federal Sentencing Guidelines. They literally have a chart that they follow an overwhelming majority of the time.
So you agree that Ligambi and Borgesi receive "kick-backs", that they might be guilty of the same types of crimes they're being charged with. But you don't believe that they committed these exact ones because "You don't like rats" (Half of the mob info we know and cite as facts on these boards by the way comes from rats like Bent Finger Lou by the way).
You also believe that US Atty Han is manufacturing testimony for Lou Monacello and Frankie DiGiacomo and Nicky Steffanelli (dead) and Michael Orlando? No offense, I don't know if I believe you. But okay sure, let's call them all liars. You've got to believe the wiretaps. The hours of condo. At LaGriglia, Staino taps, the whole thing. How bout the poor citizen who owned the vending business Uncle Joe squeezed him out of? Is he lying too?
If you're cheering for them to cheer for them, I can get behind that. But don't tell me they're innocent.
hopefully FrankMazola reads it and calls his local congressman lollollol or calls that douchebag HON or ROBRENO and tells them what happend in ChiTown hahahaha
Hon. is an abbreviation for "Honorable". As in "Honorable Judge Robreno". "Han" is "US Attorney Han". With an 'a'.
Easy Pal, it's just a discussion…..... over the internet.
@frank I know of another case that a guy by the name of Vito Scavo was convicted of multiple offenses and basically the same charges as these guys, when he was convicted his sentencing guidelines were the same as these guys but the judge realized that yes he did get convicted but the money involved was so petty an there was no violence so they only sentenced him to 6years, google him and tell me what you think of that. And NO i DONT think they are GUILTY i feel the charges are trummped up so therefore with my own experience when a judge realizes the DA trummped the charges they lose all credibility on the other ones, thats how it goes in Chicago my friend. And what are you a lawyer or prosecuter or something you definitley sound like you have the experience but not as an alleged criminal lol
I don't need google to know who Chief Scavo is. He pleaded guilty, pal. And I'm not getting into a Tri-State versus Chicago contest here. Just look up Federal Sentencing Guidelines. They literally have a chart that they follow an overwhelming majority of the time.
So you agree that Ligambi and Borgesi receive "kick-backs", that they might be guilty of the same types of crimes they're being charged with. But you don't believe that they committed these exact ones because "You don't like rats" (Half of the mob info we know and cite as facts on these boards by the way comes from rats like Bent Finger Lou by the way).
You also believe that US Atty Han is manufacturing testimony for Lou Monacello and Frankie DiGiacomo and Nicky Steffanelli (dead) and Michael Orlando? No offense, I don't know if I believe you. But okay sure, let's call them all liars. You've got to believe the wiretaps. The hours of condo. At LaGriglia, Staino taps, the whole thing. How bout the poor citizen who owned the vending business Uncle Joe squeezed him out of? Is he lying too?
If you're cheering for them to cheer for them, I can get behind that. But don't tell me they're innocent.
First of all VITO went to trial and lost, so don't make it sound like he pleaded out and got that sweet deal...You sound like a COP Frank, I feel i can get indicted talking to you LOL and by the way all the other tapes all them guys were found guilty so there was criminal activity here, but just cause you know where that Money went, it means you still have to prove it went to the wife or ligambi and Hon has failed to do that, and I cant speak about the victims because i really don't know about there situation. The only 2 I said there testimony was scripted was the 2 beefers, i never said anything about the other evidence. But like I said from past experience when the DA wants you, they will do whatever it takes even if it means scripting testimony or getting phony witnesses to testify lies they play very dirty my friend, it sounds like a madeup story but sometimes the truth is hard to handle. Only difference with Cops and Gangsters is the cops have Badges pally, just some food for thought...Who agrees? Anyone? not that it matters lollollol
hopefully FrankMazola reads it and calls his local congressman lollollol or calls that douchebag HON or ROBRENO and tells them what happend in ChiTown hahahaha
Hon. is an abbreviation for "Honorable". As in "Honorable Judge Robreno". "Han" is "US Attorney Han". With an 'a'.
Easy Pal, it's just a discussion…..... over the internet.
Hey Im not upset talking to you nor am i calling you names, so please you take it easy
@frank I know of another case that a guy by the name of Vito Scavo was convicted of multiple offenses and basically the same charges as these guys, when he was convicted his sentencing guidelines were the same as these guys but the judge realized that yes he did get convicted but the money involved was so petty an there was no violence so they only sentenced him to 6years, google him and tell me what you think of that. And NO i DONT think they are GUILTY i feel the charges are trummped up so therefore with my own experience when a judge realizes the DA trummped the charges they lose all credibility on the other ones, thats how it goes in Chicago my friend. And what are you a lawyer or prosecuter or something you definitley sound like you have the experience but not as an alleged criminal lol
I don't need google to know who Chief Scavo is. He pleaded guilty, pal. And I'm not getting into a Tri-State versus Chicago contest here. Just look up Federal Sentencing Guidelines. They literally have a chart that they follow an overwhelming majority of the time.
So you agree that Ligambi and Borgesi receive "kick-backs", that they might be guilty of the same types of crimes they're being charged with. But you don't believe that they committed these exact ones because "You don't like rats" (Half of the mob info we know and cite as facts on these boards by the way comes from rats like Bent Finger Lou by the way).
You also believe that US Atty Han is manufacturing testimony for Lou Monacello and Frankie DiGiacomo and Nicky Steffanelli (dead) and Michael Orlando? No offense, I don't know if I believe you. But okay sure, let's call them all liars. You've got to believe the wiretaps. The hours of condo. At LaGriglia, Staino taps, the whole thing. How bout the poor citizen who owned the vending business Uncle Joe squeezed him out of? Is he lying too?
If you're cheering for them to cheer for them, I can get behind that. But don't tell me they're innocent.
First of all VITO went to trial and lost, so don't make it sound like he pleaded out and got that sweet deal...You sound like a COP Frank, I feel i can get indicted talking to you LOL and by the way all the other tapes all them guys were found guilty so there was criminal activity here, but just cause you know where that Money went, it means you still have to prove it went to the wife or ligambi and Hon has failed to do that, and I cant speak about the victims because i really don't know about there situation. The only 2 I said there testimony was scripted was the 2 beefers, i never said anything about the other evidence. But like I said from past experience when the DA wants you, they will do whatever it takes even if it means scripting testimony or getting phony witnesses to testify lies they play very dirty my friend, it sounds like a madeup story but sometimes the truth is hard to handle. Only difference with Cops and Gangsters is the cops have Badges pally, just some food for thought...Who agrees? Anyone? not that it matters lollollol
at first I thought when the f.ck did I go to trial Lol. No offense but guys this is getting off topic.
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