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Re: What are some things unrealistic about Sopranos?
[Re: FurioScarfo]
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Didn't Tony whack the Matt Bevilacqua while boss of the family? I doubt that would ever happen.
Makes you think. Makes you think about the people in your life. And when I think, I think of Neil. If he were here now what would he say? He would say "John what's it about? What's life about... if you dont go through it as a man's man?". He'd say "Suck it up, take the fall do the time. That made you what you are. That makes you what you are. How long have we been around this thing of ours? This Cosa Nostra? 120 years. What's it about? It's about the rules, perimeters. You take the beating for a friend, you don't run, you don't lay down, you don't betray who you are. What you are.
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Re: What are some things unrealistic about Sopranos?
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The boss killing on his own.
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.
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Re: What are some things unrealistic about Sopranos?
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How about "too many Chiefs, not enough Indians"?
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Re: What are some things unrealistic about Sopranos?
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Carmela hooking up with the painter was unrealistic to me. I doubt anybody gets away with hooking up with a bosses wife
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Re: What are some things unrealistic about Sopranos?
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Tony never knew about the painter, and the painter didn't know who Carmela's husband was at first...then he "pissed his pants".
"I'll give you undignified. Go fuck yourself. You, Phil... whoever. He's my fuckin' cousin."
"My name is George. I'm unemployed and live with my parents"..
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Re: What are some things unrealistic about Sopranos?
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I never said tony knew about the painter. Bottom line, i doubt that situation has ever happened.
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Re: What are some things unrealistic about Sopranos?
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01/16/14 08:36 PM
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Sopranos was a great show but very fictional at least in terms of the modern mafia. first of all the mob killings have decreased substantially since teh early 90's. Also like someone already said a mafia boss visiting a shrink would be the end for him. Another issues was the fact that they made the jersey mafia just as strong as new york which is laughable. Gotti called the jersey mob the minor league and basically ordered them around like they were his soldiers lol Depends how you define unrealistic. Soprano family is indeed based on DeCavalcante family in terms of location of family, the size and some of the rackets they ran, but other than that the members of this family are fictional characters. That doesn't make it totally unrealistic otherwise pretty much any work of fiction is "unrealistic" because it didn't exactly happen this way in real life. You have to accept these characters as real and as long as their story is realistic in the context of the environment they're in, if the interaction between them is realistic and so on, everything is fine. Is anyone from the characters in the Soprano family unrealistic as a mob character? IMO nobody, they all pretty much fit into "the life". The difference is that they are more violent than the actual DeCavalcante family was, but violence as such is not unrealistic at all considering that this is a series about mob. The number of killings has indeed decreased, but this doesn't mean that murders couldn't have happened this day and age if leadership of some family wanted to resort to violence. All it takes is the boss giving the order to one of his soldiers. It just happens that modern bosses aren't ready to do this for a number of reasons, but since when it's "unrealistic" for a mafia boss to order killings and for mafia soldiers to commit them? Tony's character was paranoid, selfish, violent and had problems with rage. You had tons of mobsters who were like that. It would actually be unrealistic if there was too little violence. He lead a small but deadly family with a lot of soldiers who were prepared to kill and did commit murders through series (Chris, Paulie, Sil, both Baccalieris, Gigi, Patsy, Benny, Walden, Eugene... Hell, almost everyone from the major characters, even Vito was doing hits) not to mention his connection with Naples. You can imagine him as some sort of modern day DeMeo in this regard. This also explains why even that large NY family feared him and didn't want to try to discipline him until Phil became boss. They even called the NJ family to perform hits for them. Especially Lupertazzi was your typical modern day non-violent boss - with the example of him and his family the series actually showed us that violence of Soprano family is not the norm these days and that even big families are hesitant to use it. The Commision appears to be de facto non-existant so there was no one to discipline the Sopranos and tell them what to do. That's why Tony got away with seeing a shrink and a number of other things and could pretty much do what he wanted on his territory. They still made a lot of money with him and that was the most important. Again, totally realistic. You have a real life example of that Albanian gang (of pretty much the same size as fictional Sopranos) dissrespecting Gambinos and there was no retaliation. Another thing you have to consider is that most of these murders were murders of low level associates (or not connected at all) who were probably under the radar and their murders couldn't be directly linked to top LCN guys, for example Brendan, Mustang Sally, those two guys working for Chris, Jackie jr. and his guys, all those civilians etc. I believe such murders happen in real life too, but we simply can't know about every LCN-related murder/commited by LCN member. Not that many made guys died. I think through the show we can easily see that Tony is not a typical mob boss and his family is not a typical mafia family either, if we're comparing him and his guys to Lupertazzi family who resemble modern LCN more. Creators of Sopranos didn't want to present modern post 00s mob in documentary-like fashion but were presented us what could have happened in a modern mob environment with a bit different set of characters than actual NJ mobsters (but still in the realm of general character traits of mafiosi). In terms of realism they did far better job than say Godfather IMO. It's unjust comparing Sopranos to Godfellas and Donnie Brasco because these two are based on real life stories. Out of fictional mob stories Sopranos are the most realistic.
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Re: What are some things unrealistic about Sopranos?
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Tony beat and collected money from that degenerate gambler himself. Tony killed multiple people himself.
I guess one could make the argument that gaspipe killed that Frankie hydell guy while he was underboss, so it could happen... Most of violent things Tony did himself were personal, like avenging murder attempt on Chris and on himself. Plus he was trying to keep his tough guy persona to be more feared. He was a violent person in general and probably enjoyed being a bully. Scarfo was doing hits while boss too. The FBI sits on their ass and doesn't get and doesn't get a single conviction in 8 years. Aside from season 1, is anyone in the NJ family even indicted? They indicted a number of people in first season and it was made clear that they were focused on Junior Soprano and Baresi crew. They started building a RICO case against Tony and his crew in the 2nd season but there were some setbacks like all those rats dying, bug in Tony's house neutralized etc. He lasted 7 years as boss on the street which is not so unrealistic considering that he also had a lot of luck. Also, FBI seemed to be more concerned about what was going on in NY, they mention trial against Massino, they brought Johnny Sack and his crew down etc.
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Re: What are some things unrealistic about Sopranos?
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Didn't that Federal Prosecutor come in to the local Detectives in season 6 and say, "We've been building a major RICO against Tony Soprano……"
Not to beat a dead horse but that sounds a lot like the Philly indictment being alleged for years and then finally coming down.
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Re: What are some things unrealistic about Sopranos?
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Sopranos was a great show but very fictional at least in terms of the modern mafia. first of all the mob killings have decreased substantially since teh early 90's. Also like someone already said a mafia boss visiting a shrink would be the end for him. Another issues was the fact that they made the jersey mafia just as strong as new york which is laughable. Gotti called the jersey mob the minor league and basically ordered them around like they were his soldiers lol Depends how you define unrealistic. Soprano family is indeed based on DeCavalcante family in terms of location of family, the size and some of the rackets they ran, but other than that the members of this family are fictional characters. That doesn't make it totally unrealistic otherwise pretty much any work of fiction is "unrealistic" because it didn't exactly happen this way in real life. You have to accept these characters as real and as long as their story is realistic in the context of the environment they're in, if the interaction between them is realistic and so on, everything is fine. Is anyone from the characters in the Soprano family unrealistic as a mob character? IMO nobody, they all pretty much fit into "the life". The difference is that they are more violent than the actual DeCavalcante family was, but violence as such is not unrealistic at all considering that this is a series about mob. The number of killings has indeed decreased, but this doesn't mean that murders couldn't have happened this day and age if leadership of some family wanted to resort to violence. All it takes is the boss giving the order to one of his soldiers. It just happens that modern bosses aren't ready to do this for a number of reasons, but since when it's "unrealistic" for a mafia boss to order killings and for mafia soldiers to commit them? Tony's character was paranoid, selfish, violent and had problems with rage. You had tons of mobsters who were like that. It would actually be unrealistic if there was too little violence. He lead a small but deadly family with a lot of soldiers who were prepared to kill and did commit murders through series (Chris, Paulie, Sil, both Baccalieris, Gigi, Patsy, Benny, Walden, Eugene... Hell, almost everyone from the major characters, even Vito was doing hits) not to mention his connection with Naples. You can imagine him as some sort of modern day DeMeo in this regard. This also explains why even that large NY family feared him and didn't want to try to discipline him until Phil became boss. They even called the NJ family to perform hits for them. Especially Lupertazzi was your typical modern day non-violent boss - with the example of him and his family the series actually showed us that violence of Soprano family is not the norm these days and that even big families are hesitant to use it. The Commision appears to be de facto non-existant so there was no one to discipline the Sopranos and tell them what to do. That's why Tony got away with seeing a shrink and a number of other things and could pretty much do what he wanted on his territory. They still made a lot of money with him and that was the most important. Again, totally realistic. You have a real life example of that Albanian gang (of pretty much the same size as fictional Sopranos) dissrespecting Gambinos and there was no retaliation. Another thing you have to consider is that most of these murders were murders of low level associates (or not connected at all) who were probably under the radar and their murders couldn't be directly linked to top LCN guys, for example Brendan, Mustang Sally, those two guys working for Chris, Jackie jr. and his guys, all those civilians etc. I believe such murders happen in real life too, but we simply can't know about every LCN-related murder/commited by LCN member. Not that many made guys died. I think through the show we can easily see that Tony is not a typical mob boss and his family is not a typical mafia family either, if we're comparing him and his guys to Lupertazzi family who resemble modern LCN more. Creators of Sopranos didn't want to present modern post 00s mob in documentary-like fashion but were presented us what could have happened in a modern mob environment with a bit different set of characters than actual NJ mobsters (but still in the realm of general character traits of mafiosi). In terms of realism they did far better job than say Godfather IMO. It's unjust comparing Sopranos to Godfellas and Donnie Brasco because these two are based on real life stories. Out of fictional mob stories Sopranos are the most realistic. I think you are misinterpreting. Im not talking about mob culture im talking about modern day mafia. Actually i think what i said was pretty accurate. Not just me but other mobsters like Michael Franzese said that the Sopranos wasnt accurate ike for example a boss going to the shrink
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