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Re: Chicago’s Gambling war 1940’s
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When al capone was released from prison Wisconsin was his favorite hangout, that's where capone met with outfit memberers, al capone nephew once gave an interview saying he saw al capone sitting at a table with a bunch of outfit bigwigs and lots of food, al capone would also go to his mother house in chicago and meet with outfit figures there, there was actually coded messages over the phone leaving from al capones house to Chicago but the fbi never was able to decipher them, the fbi even interview his wife Mae capone but she wouldn't talk, after al capone was released from prison ralph capone was his messenger, that's y I don't believe guzik was kidnapped because al capone would never have stood for it
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Re: Chicago’s Gambling war 1940’s
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The outfit in the 40 ' s is very ineresting, ralph capone was active in the 40 ' s but the info in scare on him, also I don't believe gusik was ever kiddnaped BTW - I've been searching for info on Ralph Capone and I can't find much. Even looked in some FBI files and there's was very, very little info. I'll give it another try in a few days. THeres a story that there was a little disruption between the gangs when Al went to jail and that Ralph played a major role in organzing them again. During the 30's and 40's Ralph Capone spent a lot of time in Hurley,Wisconsin.It was the Outfits favorite place to relax,recreate,do busniess and hide.Maybe thats why theres not much info on him. They had more than 200 saloons,brothels and gambling joints so Ralph owned alot of businesses over there.I even think that he died over there in a hospital,but im not sure. I read where he went to Wisconsin, but info is sketchy. Didn't' know about all the saloons, brothels, etc. Thanks Yes it was a famous Capone area since the 1920s called Silver Street in Hurley, Wisconsin
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Re: Chicago’s Gambling war 1940’s
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When al capone was released from prison Wisconsin was his favorite hangout, that's where capone met with outfit memberers, al capone nephew once gave an interview saying he saw al capone sitting at a table with a bunch of outfit bigwigs and lots of food, al capone would also go to his mother house in chicago and meet with outfit figures there, there was actually coded messages over the phone leaving from al capones house to Chicago but the fbi never was able to decipher them, the fbi even interview his wife Mae capone but she wouldn't talk, after al capone was released from prison ralph capone was his messenger, that's y I don't believe guzik was kidnapped because al capone would never have stood for it You could be right, maybe it didn't happen. I would agree that Capone would never allowed it, but in 1944 Capone was pretty much "out of it." Nitti died about a year earlier, and for the most part Ricca had been in charge for some time. Accardo was "subbing" for Ricca who got caught up in the Hollywood Extortion case. So it's hard to say about these things. And you could be right, maybe it didn't happen.
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Re: Chicago’s Gambling war 1940’s
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About the Hollywood extortion case, an outfit member by the name of nick cievella (probably misspelled his last name) was collecting the payments from the Hollywood producers, and for a reason I can't explain, ralph capone started collecting the payouts, but he was in ever indicted in the Hollywood extortion case
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Re: Chicago’s Gambling war 1940’s
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About the Hollywood extortion case, an outfit member by the name of nick cievella (probably misspelled his last name) was collecting the payments from the Hollywood producers, and for a reason I can't explain, ralph capone started collecting the payouts, but he was in ever indicted in the Hollywood extortion case Very odd how some outfit guys were charged and others walked.
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Re: Chicago’s Gambling war 1940’s
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About the Hollywood extortion case, an outfit member by the name of nick cievella (probably misspelled his last name) was collecting the payments from the Hollywood producers, and for a reason I can't explain, ralph capone started collecting the payouts, but he was in ever indicted in the Hollywood extortion case Very odd how some outfit guys were charged and others walked. I know the Outfit had good connections in the Court system but i also think that some top figures were secret informants
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Re: Chicago’s Gambling war 1940’s
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I agree in some respects, the young turks was pushing against the old guys because they felt like the old guys got rich and they was just sitting on thier money, not trying to explore new rackets or ruffle any feathers while the young guys was broke, "teets" was apart of the young turks, al capone had a lot of black friends and ordered his outfit to leave the black policy race teens alone, in those times the first murdered people all the time so what your saying is not far fetched, what do I know, I believe al capone had say so within the outfit right up to the day he died @big fella Capone's brains were scrambled eggs from syphilis in his later years. In fact he was battling dementia.
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Re: Chicago’s Gambling war 1940’s
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I don't belive so, in an interview capones nephew (the son of his brother hart) admitted when he was a teenager he walked into a big outfit meeting with capone and all of the big wigs from chicago, they held meetings at the resort in wisconsin, capone got treatment after he was released from jail which made him close to normal, he was still able to conduct meetings, and the outfit sent him money until the day he died
"McGurn likes you, so I make you. So you are now one of us, if you fuck up, we take it out on McGurn. He is your sponsor. Fuck up, it's his ass. You work in his crew, he is your capo."
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Re: Chicago’s Gambling war 1940’s
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Back to the topic.....the war for control of the racing wire during this time frame fascinates me. Ragen was a dead man walking when he defied the Outfit, and it is surprising he lasted as long as he did.
There is a ton of testimony on the Race Wire war in the Kefauver hearings. In St. Louis, when Continental went away, Pioneer News became the new provider of race wire results.
An interesting legal battle began, because one of Pioneer's owners, William Molasky, was also a significant owner of Western Union, who owned the wire. There were attempts to cut off the phones and the wires at Pioneer, due to illegal activity, and the case went to district court, then circuit court and finally, the Missouri Supreme Court. It was appealed all the way to the US Supreme Court, who denied the petition to hear the case.
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