And Manton these days especially its more factioned based with guys not even sure who the head is. They kick up to who they're told to and if you think Shacks wasnt connected to the Cheese and the North End fellas then your wrong. Theres video of Louie, Cheese, and Limone meeting in Sharon from a little before Cheese got busted and the other busts. So whats that say, they were just meeting up to have a cup of coffee. No my friend think about, its still going on they are just in transion right now waiting to figure everything out.

"Mannachio was in charge for over 12 years virtually un-bothered, he would have been crazy to not make his fair share of guys and leave his mark"

I don't know anything first hand about what is going on in New England, however, it is worth mentioning that what you are talking about is not impossible or unprecedented. I believe that both Scalish in Cleveland and Marcello in New Orleans had large operations that were relatively little harassment and yet neither made a lot of guys and this was part of what caused their organizations to dry up.

I agree with some of that, but the New England Mob is definitely at their weakest point and I don't see the family being where it once was. Limone doesn't have much time left, Louie is finished and a lot of their key guys are up there in age. Unless they go out on a full recruitment campaign and make a whole bunch of young guys to replace the aging mobsters, eventually age and attrition will catch up to them. There will always be guys who are making book, loansharking and so forth...but the days of old are gone. I'm sure they will try to salvage whatever they can, but their strongest guys are not getting younger. I agree, they are in transition and waiting to figure things out...time will tell.

They will never be where they once were and Providence dont have alot of guys left, but just trust when I say they will still be around. Ill even say, if Providence folds completely due to what you guys are saying than Boston will be a family all by itself. We got too many younger guys playing the game and the old timers are still here and they are very comfortable. There is plenty of associates in Boston as well. Why do you think that sloppy bastard Anthony said he will still be boss even if hes in prison cause he knows things are going on. But what he doesnt know is he was a pawn in the smarter guys game. Go ahead Anthony keep saying your the boss cause it just makes things much smoother for the real figure heads in Boston. We arent going anywhere for awhile. with the North End.

Hey Ville I agree with you. I think as long as the North End still exists the way it does now, then the Patriarcas will be around for a long time in one form or another. I think Providence could come back but it will be an uphill battle I do not think they can win.
I think you nailed it on the head when you said the Patriarca's will soon be a totally Boston based organization (I include Revere and Medford when I say this) In other words they will be, for the most part based solely in Massachusetts. I think anyone who is indicted as the "Boss" will be nothing more than a front. There are plenty more morons like the Dinunzios that the old timers can use. This is just my two cents from what I have learned from guys like Ville and Joe as well as lawyers who know many of these guys.