Honestly I just could not remembr the name of the place and you are correct the acorn tap and yes it was "kitty corner" from the pizza palor.
BTW I never said I visted Frank I used to go vist his cousin Sal , but I have spoken to him more than once when the three of us were in the visiting room up at "Castle Dracula " at the ACI

Ciao, Fedora Frank

Why do you type in all Caps?

Here are a few recent articles on New England LCN:

http://wpri.com/2014/02/05/feb14-target-12-several-mobsters-set-to-be-released-from-prison-in-2014/

http://wpri.com/2014/01/22/mobsters-adult-son-missing-since-sunday/

The second article is interesting in that Deluca Jr.'s Mom called him and had dinner plans with him the next day...She must be in the immediate area, I wonder if Bobby Sr. is close by as well??????

those are some big names coming out this year with Guglielmetti and Mannochio

They are some big names...but very advanced in age. I can't see Manocchio getting back in the game, but who knows? Gug has been out of the game for quite some time, the landscape has changed dramatically since he's been locked up, and he's 65 as well...the bottom line is that there needs to be quite a few younger guys and I haven't heard of many that are truly capable.

Don't providence only have like 5 active made guys left or something stupid? There done

There are 13 total known made members remaining in the Providence faction:

7 of them are in prison - Eddie Lato, Rocco Folco, Matthew Guglielmetti, Luigi Manocchio, Frank Marrapese, Chippy Scivola, and Anthony St. Laurent.

That leaves 6 - Joe Achille Sr, William Delsanto, Vito DeLuca, Pasquale Galea, Joseph Ruggiero, and Raymond Patriarca Jr. But not all of these guys are active.

I leave the caps button on to help me read what I'm saying I have bad eyesight---ok Bobby JR- he was found was fine whole time probly on dope who knows(his mother is not with That rat anymore he is with a nother woman got remaried after havin his first kid)---so dosnt mean hes around the area. Some other things to mentin Rocky is another guy whos not made in this state.Also Good Lookin is retiring upon arrival. Again its done here and we can talk about the old days but thats that if you guys think its stil here or comin back your wrong

So basically that faction is done. Even when Matty G and Chippy come home this year they have nothing left to come back too.

My contact at WPRI and at Channel 5 Boston said the exact same thing in regards to Providence. How many kids does DeLuca have? Are you saying Matty G is retiring?

jcb so I was reading them merry files them thing are interesting. the one convo betwwen bianco and ray sr. is great the whole time nicky trying to bad mouth carlo Gambino and ray telling him to have respect. but Gambino is backing up the gallo faction against profaci brother inlaw, nick stuck in the middle and Gambino playing both sides. guess Gambino was a weasel like joe bonanno said. ray sr became boss I read in 1952 or 54. so he was a boss before Genovese or Gambino. it always says a confidential informant sated this or that but the fbi were using illegal bugs everywhere so that's why they say a informant said it to cover the tracks, they just new way to much. how organize they were back in the 70tys baby shacks is hiding out in Chicago with some jewish book max who the fbi staes is the biggest bookie out there, and is joe doves right hand man. the Chicago posters probably no of this guy max issoro, sounds Italian but the the first name max maybe half and half. also never new baby shacks was that wealthy back then he had the book and took all the layoff in r.i. back then so he;s got ancient money. also he was hiding out in nyc with flemmi and salemmi. it says 1 c.i. states backy shacky is around central park dressing sharp as ever, who tells that to the fbi probably flemmi, him and salemmi were broke baby shacks was tking planes all over the place. how bout when rays sr. says to bianco I rather eat with five guys here and be full then then 200guys in Brooklyn fighting over a buck. my final post on this seems like baby shacks didn't make a lot of guys down there maybe you had to kill to get a button for him, but the last couple yrs they made probably 10 guys around boston so there good up there, it tradition now they'll kick ot going as long as nyc has the 5 familes. they said 15 yrs ago the Colombo were gonna be absolved into the other 4 familes hasn't happed, the new jersey family still around. philly keeps going they got the coolest mob boss in America rite now skinny joe. not the strongest the coolest, and he didtn retire he could have had a book deal, tv show when he got out 3 yrs ago. he'll carry on there lcn shit.

Hey pmac,

Yeah, I think those files are pretty cool, provide a lot of background info on the key players. I am not as well versed on the Patriarca's from pre-1980's, as they are IMO one of the most interesting families to read about. In regards to Carlo being a weasel...I'd go out on a limb and say that any mob boss was condescending, as they were criminals at the end of the day. Some had more honor than others I'm sure, but it's interesting to read about and piece together the intel provided by the Feds in those days. And with J. Edgar Hoover at the helm, I'm sure he had illegal wiretaps on everybody, it was just his nature. As far as Joey Merlino, I'm not a fan of this generation of mobsters and I think they have no respect for anything anymore, so my opinion is probably biased. I will give him credit for keeping his mouth shut though.

Providence has more guys than you think. Manton you said no one has been made since Juniors time, but that is definitely not true. Up here in Boston there are plenty of guys in there 30s and 40s that are involved, some are made and some are working their way up. Im not mentioning any names tho. These guys are from Boston and all around the greater Boston area. I wish i coud say more, but i cant go too much into this topic. Why do you guys think the power switched back to Boston cause we got our shit together right now and Providence is weaker, but they are far from done. Just wait till Pretty gets out down there, i know you said hes retiring, but we we will see about that when he gets out.

It will certainly be interesting to see Matty G and if at 65, he has the weight that he once carried. I still don't see Baby Shacks getting back into the game, plus he'll be on supervised release. I wouldn't be shocked if he turns out like Angiulo, come out of the can and die shortly after. DeLuca certainly gave the Feds everything on Providence and Ruggiero IMO is nothing without Baby Shacks around, plus he just got outed in the media after his latest business venture in New Bedford.

Shacks is gonna sail off into the sunset when he gets out. I think he will live longer than Anguilo, Louie is a crazy health nut, hes in better shape then guys 20 yrs younger. Matty still holds weight, trust me. He didnt become so powerfull at a young age for nothing. Deluca may have given up more than what we already know, but he was gone for almost 12 yrs in the can, so hes not privy to every little thing that has gone on. Thats why the strip club case came cause Bobby was out and ratting. There prolly is more to come from Pussy Deluca, but why wouldnt the feds wrap all his information into a sweeping RICO indictment and wipe everyone out. Bobby barely has stripes, he,only got where he was cause of Cadillac, he dont know as much as everyone thinks. Was never a tough guy. Only time will tell whats gonna happen with Baldy, but i dont believe he has too much info to offer.

I agree with you Ville about Shacks riding off into the sunset. Shit, I'd love to see him head over to Italy and live out his remaining time over there. Shacks is my favorite mob boss, hands down. Classy guy, courteous to agents, ruled with an iron fist. Personally, I think the reason the Feds haven't done a sweeping indictment is because they are still piecing some of the info together to build a stronger RICO case against "whoever the targets are." If they gave Baldy a free pass over some chicken shit charges and light sentences that were the result of his cooperation, then every wiseguy in America is going to cooperate with those kind of sweetheart deals. Time will tell, but I hope Providence makes a strong comeback, need quite a bit of younger blood made in Providence.

I do agree with you tho about the Feds still piecing something together on whoever it may be, like you said time will tell. Who knows what the future holds. What do we know we are just guys on a blog.

We certainly are "bloggers!" Does Limone still live in Medford in that apartment or has he moved since he received his judgement?

I think that anything Bobby did Stevie Whitey Cadillac and Rosetti knew about, and so did the Govt. I am not so sure they want to be embarrassed by all this. The bad guys were All informants. That is just my humble opinion

Do you guys think Bobby is out of New England? West Coast, East Coast, Midwest?

Hey JCB I think if he were in New England there would have been some sightings. It seems to me that if an informant goes into the program with a good amount of money (Crazy Phil) they end up on the west coast and if they are not as wealthy they go to the Midwest (Henry Hill, initially). That being said I would say he would be on the West Coast. Might even be Phil's neighbor. I have heard there are a lot of federal witnesses from the east coast all along the California coast. Again speculation on my part.

What's the story with Matt G? How did he get to be so powerful so young?

Also something I always wondered, was ray sr Sicilian? And I know he was made in NYC but by who?

Thats a very good opinion artichoke. Cause his information on those guys would be pretty much useless. Thats why I say Bobby might not have much to offer. He was only out a few years before the strip club indictment was dropped and outed as an informant. So he dont know all that was going on while he was locked up, and he sure as shit dont know what Billy and Cheese and the old timers were doing up here in Boston. He definitely has old info which could be deadly to some, but i think he only knows things about old Providence matters and info about Eastie guys from the early 90s. They are more factioned based in Boston right now, so Deluca could no whats going on with one group and not have a clue about another crew.

Finally a guy that knows something, I've ben saying for months that there are many more made guys and advancing associates in Boston and RI than people know. I even relayed a few stories and still got nowhere. I'm not saying they are on every street corner, but it's far from over.

Mannachio was in charge for over 12 years virtually un-bothered, he would have been crazy to not make his fair share of guys and leave his mark plus he had the Big Cheese in Boston wandering around the north end. It was a very long time between major indictments in NE.

Rumor once surfaced DeLuca was in either NC or SC, someone claimed to have spotted him there.

If he gave up more and there's cases coming it'll happened before these guys get released this year. Otherwise in the next few years Cheese and his brother are out and the clan is all reunited...

Right on Ville ( nice to meet ya btw )someone who knows what their talking about ,you got it right and that was what I was sayin in my very first post here on the boards.

Ciao, Fedora Frank

YOU GUYS DONT KNOW YOUR SHIT FROM SHINOLA. GOOD LOOKIN MATTY GOT MADE HE WAS BEST FRIENDS WITH RAYMOND PATRIARCA JUNIOR AND HIS FATHER WAS CONNECTED DIRECTLY WITH OLD MAN DAY. IN IN THE BEGINNING 1990'S RAY HAD TO STEP DOWN MATTY CAME UP WITH HIM HE WENT AWAY FOR RACKETEERING THEN THESE GUYS HAD A WAR IT WAS RAY JR LOYALISTS AGAINST GUYS FROM EAST BOSTON AND RAY JR STEPPED OUT HE INHERITED ALL THE MONEY NO MEED TO BOTHER. NICKY BIANCO TOOK OVER COULDNT GET RECOGNIZED FROM NEW YORK THEY DIDNT LIKE HIM THEN FRANK SALEMME FROM BOSTON TOOK OVER HE WAS WITH JUNIOR AND HE BROGUT ALONG HIS PEOPLE LIKE MARK ROSETTI WHO ENDED UP BEING A DOPE HEAD DID HEROIN. SO ALL THE PEOPLE IN BOSTON WHO WERE AGAINST HIM EITHER WENT TO PRISON OR GOT PUT ON THE SHELF SND DID OWN THING THATS WHY YOU GOT FACTIONS. THERES NOBODY LEFT IN PROVIDENCE ON THE STREET THE ONLY REAL GUYS ARE EDDY CHIP AND GOOD LOOKIN MATT AND THEY ARE ALL LOCKED UP THE REST ARE TOO OLD OR NOT THE REAL. SOME GUYS SHOUKD MAYBE HAVE BEEN MADE SPECIALLY WHEN YA LOOK AT BOSTON THEY MADE ALL KINDS OF DRUGGIES AND LOSERS BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN ITS A FAMILY LIKE IT USED TO BE. IN R.I. IT WAS CHIP AND JOE RUGGERO THAT GOT MADE YHATS IT AND THERES NO CONNECTION TO BOSTON LOUIE FREELANCED THR WHOL THING AND THEY MADE ALL LOSERS ITS A DISGRACE THATS WHY IF YOU READ THE COURT PAPERS ED LATO DOESNT EVEN KNOW THE GUYS THAT WERE GETTIN THE MONEY FROM THE STRIP LUBS HE TALKS TO BOBBY DELUCA THE RAT AND DOESNT EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF THE GUYS-- AND YOU GUYS THINK ITS STILL GOING?? THATS A FANTASY. MATTY IS DONE HE IS NOT CONNECTED TO MOST NOT NOONE IN BOSTON JUNIOR IS DONE JOE RUGGERO IS A RICH NONCRIMINAL AND EDDY AND CHIPPY HAVE NOTHIN TO COME BSCK TO THEY WILL GET SOCIAL SECURITY AND EAT FOR FREE AT DOLCE VITA AND THATS THAT. THE YOUNG DRUGGIES IN BOSTON CAN PRETEND TO BE A FLASHBACK BUT IF YOU GUYS SEEN 1975 1980 IN PROVIDENCE YOU WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE

BELEVE WHAT YA WANT BUT THEY CLOSED THE BOOKS IN R.I. THIS WAS THE POWER BASE AND THE GUY ON THE DOMESTIC IS A DEAR FRIEND THAT YOUR TALKIN OUT OF LINE ABOUT AND HES SERIOUS AND NOT A MEMBER THERE ARE NO MORE MEMBERS IN THIS STATE PERIOD

Ok Manton thanks for the rundown on the Patriarca's, you gave us information that anyone can,look on the internet and find out about. Thats all common knowledge brother. And thats why i stated they are factioned based right now, cause crews are doing their own thing, and they are kicking up in Boston. Providence was the powerbase, keyword was. Boston holds that now buddy, and you are only saying Boston made drug addicts cause of all the talk about Billy Angelesco and Mark Rossetti and heroin. Otherwise we got old timers that carry more weight than anyone in Providence, except maybe Louie and even a few of these guys are on Shack's level. We got young guys that are not on drugs and are very good earners. You can tell me Providence is done till my ear falls off, but thats far from the truth. If Louie let the Boston guys do what they wanted and had nothing to do with it, then why did he get indicted for the strip club case. He was still connected with Boston guys during that time period. I may be from Boston and you Providence, but im saying they are trying to make a come back and Boston is already on the road getting things done.

Louie may have freelanced it, but was still receiving a cut from certain factions. Its already been stated that the Providence and Boston guys barely know what eachother look like. This isnt 1960 when they were a full fledged family, they have to be the way they are these days cause its not easy like it use to be. I can tell your an older guy with the old info your talking about. My info is up to date and its legit and why would i even bother talking about this if it wasnt true. Are you invloved cause you like to think your correct on everything you say, but your not brother. I could tell you more about guys in Providence that you dont know, but im not gonna put it on blast on a public forum. Why wouldnt the feds just say the power base is back in Boston and Providence is completely done. They havent said that yet cause theyre privy to whats going on and they will never say Providence is done. Its not done and thats the,last im gonna say, for those who believe it or not, its fine with me cause im no bollshitter and get my straight from people who know how it is.