Fosco said that the guy sitting on the table and smiling is Pranno and has no reason to doubt the origin of the source.

I know what he said. I happen to disagree because I have photos from that time period and the known photos of Pranno don't look like the guy in that thumbnail shot.

Here's one labeled as being Rocco Pranno in 1965. I do see what your saying. Huh?

"In my field, if it's one thing I have learned well, it is not to rely too heavily on mainstream media for credible material on the Chicago Outfit". Interesting quote from Fosco.

They do work under him but they aren't made members. This thread is about made members.

Huh?

Exactly. The Pranno pictures don't add up at all. That thumbnail and Fosco's pic do not jibe with others I've seen.

That effing picture on ANP is still driving me crazy, and now Fosco isn't even bothering to respond to comments on it. Jagoff.

Maybe Fosco's upset that I guessed the guy with a load in his pants is his dad...

Here's the pic:


And my most recent guess, from left to right around the tables:

1. Amato
2. Tuna
3. Pranno (by default, since JF has pretty much declared it so -- something's fishy here, though)
4. Caruso (hat)
5. Frank Buccieri (blowing dice)
6. Aleman (take a look at photos of him back then -- look at Appendix 1, page 28 of this racketeering report and tell me that doesn't resemble man #6.
7. Fosco (load in pants)
8. Palermo
9. Adduci (I've seen the same glasses frames on other pics of him)
10. Cerone (I think that's pretty much a given now, but I still have lingering doubts, as I think what hair he had was darker then)
11. Ferraro (this is totally a winger, as I've not found any good photos of him)

Critiques are of course welcome, as JF sure the hell isn't being forthcoming.

As to the various comments along the lines of, "if so and so was there, than so would so and so, etc," all need to bear in mind that this is but one snapshot and almost surely didn't capture all in attendance. It would be interesting to see any other pics taken on that occasion...

Edit: an additional thought is that if #6 is indeed Aleman, you know Ferriola wasn't far away.

Oh I know, because earlier in this thread I posted some of the same photos. I don't particularly agree with it, either.

It isn't Harry aleman & looks nothing like him

A poster by the name of "thewife" namedropped two underlings of Al Vena & has apparently deleted said comments

One of the names is to your left in the shoutbox for proof that thewife does (or did) in fact, exist.

Looks nothing like him. Right. Tilt the head down in the mugshot and that's as close as I've been able to find.

Enlighten me, Huron. Who is it?

It's not Aleman. At the time this photo was taken, Aleman would have been in his teens. I wanna say that the guy with the cigar is Willie Messino - he was very close to Cerone and him sitting right next to him would make sense.

Also, guys look a lot different depending on what type of emotion they are showing. Pranno smiling from ear to ear may look a lot different than Pranno wearing an emotionless face after being called to testify.

Let's see...Aleman was born in 1939. We know that the photo in question was taken no earlier than 1956. It could have been as late as 1960-61 for all we know, though, meaning that would be Aleman at 21 or 22.

Anyway, I give up.

Edit: are there any shots of Messino from that era?

I don't think that Aleman would be hanging around guys that high up until at least the seventies.

I say it's someone whom we don't have a lot of photographic evidence of, was relatively young, and was high enough on the totem pole to be around these guys, say Lee Magnafichi or somebody like that.

Aleman was a 20 year old half Mexican that was loosely connected through his uncle during that period. No way he was casually keeping this kind of company.

Also, that guy is handsome. Aleman was gaunt & beady eyed even back then.

For whatever reason, I never thought of Magnafichi. Dammit, I wish Fosco would just put me out of my misery already.

Where along the proverbial totem pole was Ferriola in the late 50s and early 60s, anyway?

I don't know who it is, but it certainly isn't Harry aleman, the half Mexican from Taylor street in his late teens/early 20s casually kicking it with top street bosses.

Ferriola was a rising member of the Taylor St crew & had underlings like Butchie Petrocelli, Jimmy I, and Aleman as well, (basically the Wild Bunch), but didn't become a prominent street boss until the early 70s.

Gaunt and beady eyed?

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You're probably right, and it probably isn't him, but I don't see gaunt and beady eyed there.

My apologies for the screwy picture. It's a screwy website that it's from.

Louis Almeida, Lenny Foresta, etc can also be included in that group of Ferriola underlings. Ferriola's crew took up residence at the Survivor's Social/Athletic prior to it being passed off to D'Amico when the Ferriola Crew switched their headquarters to Berwyn prior to him being made a top boss.

Ah got ya Huron. Who did he name drop?


Also I don't think that guy looks like Aleman either.

Willie Messino. I don't think he's in that picture.

@huronsocial


i don't think feriolla was top boss (maybe cuz that's the fall guy n chicago)

cuz on the family secrets transcript he was summoned to a meeting by carlisi

marcello called feriolla and infelice, told them "the doctor" wanted to see them

then fbi photos caught carlisi, marcello, infelice, and feriolla at the meeting

Never said he was the #1.

He was the #2 & would've been #1 after Carlisi died, which is why Rocky took his place.

anyone think the last guy on the end with dark glasses could be butch blasi ?

This one looks very similar Sam.

Frank Ferraro photo

Here's one of Ferraro

Here's another:

Another