What do you think the most powerful chapters of the Hells Angels are worldwide ( in terms of organized crime ) ?
I'd say :

Europe : Hells Angels Holland

North America : Hells Angels Quebec

Hands down

I thinks its british columbia chapter in canada thats the most powerful in north america.

what do you mean by most powerfull?most members,best earners,ability to get away with serious crimes or compared to other local groups?

Not every Hells Angel-chapter is as involved in organized crime as some others. When I say 'powerful' I mean the chapter which is most involved in OC and which makes the most money of course.
In Europe the Hells Angels Holland chapter was know for being more or less a drug cartel. They imported giant cocaine-shipments from Colombia, were an important international player in the MDMA-market , were highly involved in arms trafficking and prostitution,...and had a reputation for being extremely ruthless ( some gruesome killings happened ). They were widely regarded as the most influential ( in terms of OC ) motorcycle club in all of Europe and one of the most powerful organized crime syndicates to come out of Europe. A lot of members also dressed like businessmen ( outside of the club events of course).
I don't really know what the state is on them now, but they are still said to be highly active.
I thought the Quebec chapter also was highly influential, extremely involved in OC, ruthless and violent and also had the tendency to behave very business-like ( even if this seems to be the global trend among HA-chapters, contrary to other OMG's).

i'm not all that familiar with HA, but i would guess that some of the chapters in california would be pretty influential on account of the proximity to the boarder which means readily available, high purity cocaine as well as other drugs not to mention the contacts with high level players from the cartels and other OC groups.

imo,

1. Holland - hands down. Case history, in point. Vast network around Euro
2. Quebec - Montreal Port and thier alliance with the Rizzuto Family.
3. California - Their alliance with the Mexican Cartels. Easier for them to blend into a white bread communities than a mexican runner.
not sure, what to make of the British Columbia Chapter??

not sure who is the most powerful.but why is holland so powerful?its a small country and the ports are not controlled by them?from what ive read canada and the scandinavian chapters seem strong.also germanys HA pretty powerful.They have connections to the police to warn them from razzias and stuff. also they have for examaple in hannover the monopol in the night club district and no problems recruiting members.also they have a lot of connections to gangs and the immigrant crime syndicates.

dont know anything about europe, but know for fact that those canadian hells angels move huge amounts of coke and meth. they supply alot of the northeast USA.

I can say with certianty though that the most powerful chapter in new england is the LYNN/SALEM chapter... most violent too. there connected to there counterparts in canada but also varoius local criminals and gangsters... mostly eastie gangsters.

the BC HA have been said in the past to be the wealthiest in North America. Not sure if they still are. Especially the East End Chapter. They have made huge money through controlling the port, the BC drug trade, prostitution and strippers. Also gambling, extortion and stock fraud. They arent known as much for violence as the Quebec chapters but they are just as wealthy. And they wont hesitate to use violence when necessary. If you google them you can find lots of articles about them

HA is also huge in Ontario. Similar to BC there hasnt been nearly as much violence as Quebec but they make a ton of money. The Greater Toronto area has the largest concentration of HA in the world.

It's hard to say bit the Northern California chapters are the oldest and most well respected..

Lic your right about lynn ha they got a house in worcester in somewhere in the bershires, but there guy out there killed 3 people out near pittsfield he tried to.co op with the fbi the found the 3 guys buried near a tarhoe I think a friemds yard. He told them he could give up the east coast any one remember this I think its still in state court the feds said.no I think he was there warlord or someshit. He had 2wannabe codes one had implanted horns.in his head like the devil an his mugshot was all over the internet. The guy also got caught wit aton of kidie porn gross. There was another guy in worc.who got convicted found felon wit gun he also sex off shits was in the papers bad time dont care who you role wit.

wish they had HA in Louisiana...Instead we got BMC...buncha bums....

BC has taken alot of blows i.e busts and killings so i would go back on what i said at the beginning of this thread. They work with alot of the street gangs and crews though especially the mutli ethnic groups that have popped up. There still involved with huge meth manufacturing schemes and importing drugs.

What about the nyc chapter?

Holland is a small country, but it's also one of the most important drug transit countries as well as production countries in Western Europe. Organized crime is pretty well entrenched there in comparison with other Western European countries. Holland has always been a strong base for the HA and their involvement in organized crime over there is well documented. Various powerful career criminals, active in international organized crime are linked to the HA. Sam Klepper is one, and nowadays you have Danny K. and former professional MMA fighter Dick V. Not to be messed with.

Hells Angels Belgium chapters fall under the HA Holland consortium. HA chapters in Belgium have a strong base in Limburg and Liège, near the Netherlands border.

Hells Angels Germany have taken a massive blow, but I agree they're definitely among the most powerful chapters. Germany has always had an extremely large HA membership and are very active in drug trafficking, prostitution,extortion,...even money laundering among others. The amount of organized crime going on in Germany is mindblowing seeing how it's such a relatively safe country. It feels as if law enforcement turns a blind eye to the organized crime groups. They're able settle their business internally and in turn the public gets left alone and street hoodlums are dealt with swiftly. It has a low murder rate, but I wonder how many of those persons gone 'missing' are in fact eliminated criminals and hoodlums.

The chapters in Denmark and Sweden are known for being extremely violent. They're involved in drug trafficking, weapon trafficking, prostitution, extortion,...the usual. The Scandinavian Biker War was mostly based in Sweden and Denmark. The violence concerning them has somewhat diminished -except for a HA puppet gang named AK81 regularly chopping up Palestinian drug dealers in Copenhagen- but their criminal activities remain intact.

In the Americas it were the Quebec-based chapters that were and still are making most of the gang-related headlines. Chapters such as the Trois Rivières chapter are known for being entirely devoted to organized crime such as drug trafficking and prostitution. The BC-based HA were/are up there too from what I've read.
I think the California chapters are highly involved in criminal activities as well.

Although the Oakland chapter of then Hells Angels is by far the most notorious, I do not think you can put them on the same level as Holland, Germany, or Canada. although they do make a lot of money in drugs, they do not control any part of the market as they do in Europe., mainly due to intense competition here. In terms of the United States, they are probably number 1. Although the New York City Chapter and the Rochester chapter work closely together and I know for a fact they are heavy into drugs. They have connections North of the border as well. All I am saying is you cannot underestimate the Angels on the East Coast. The last indictment against the Rochester HA is pretty weak.

Here is the indictment http://www.fbi.gov/buffalo/press-release...ne-trafficking.

Also here is an interview with JC, the president of the Rochester chapter. This is a typical interview where he claims that they are just fun loving, hard drinking, All American bikers, but they are not criminals, at least not all of them lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm05XQFV-8k

That HA chapter in Canada when Maurice "Mom" Boucher was running it has to have been one of the top chapters. Those guys were making serious bank and knew how to TCB.

Didn't Sonny leaving for Arizona take a lot of clout out of Oakland? I know in the '70s-'80s they were big time in to international trafficing with Austrialian Bikies, but not so much any more besides the cartel links. As for the West/Southwest chapters (Arizonia, NorCal, Nev), constantly fighting with the Mongols and Vagos for fifteen years has teken its toll in my opinion. That can't be good for business.

Hells Angels can't even run off the Mongols, But they ran off the Rock Machine and they came right back. HA's are scared of Mongols.

California HA have to compete with too many other large biker gangs (Vagos/Mongols with 1,000+ in Cali) and (way more sophisticated) Asian syndicates.

I say BC still is the richest, if not biggest, HA group in Canada, if not NA. Quebec chapters have been hit hard by police since the 90s war and have to cooperate with too many other groups (the Irish, Sicilians, Calabrians, etc.).

In BC, who is the HAs competition? There's lots of Triads (other Asian OC) but they're too busy pimping/extorting/people smuggling other Asians and don't have the numbers/control the ports or the streets. There are no other bikers in BC (or really Western Canada for that matter other than a Warlocks chapter or two in Alberta). The mafia doesn't have much (if any) presence. The HA don't have to share in BC. Groups like the UN got squashed trying to be anything other than a street gang. The HA are the importers/exporters. They export weed, etc. and import coke. They set the price/control most of the drug trade. So, they make lots of money.

http://gangstersout.blogspot.ca/2013/01/bc-bud-in-big-apple.html

Very old but still true, unless (who?) has moved in?

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/speci...06-582faf1f77aa

The Northern California chapters are still respected but have lost a lot of their power in the last two decades with perhaps the exception of the San Francisco chapter.

BC
Holland
Norway
Australia

Hannover Germany was rich and powerful but the Bandidos have now had that city in their control for the past three years starting back when about 50 to 60 members of Hells Angels patched over to the Bandidos in the late 2000's.

You heard the Bandidos USA have split from the Bandidos Chapters outside of America? That's some crazy stuff right there. They apparently have a new patch and all.

Yeah I heard the Mongols are some deranged pieces of work. They are not classified as being one of the 'Big Four' but they have all the characteristics. Are the members still mostly Hispanic and Native American or have the demographics changed?

From what I've read I would put the Mongols above the Bandidos in the United States. The Bandidos mostly come across as an extension, even a subgroup of the Outlaws MC.

Most of the Mongols on the east coast are white and on the west coast there mostly Native American or Hispanic.

I live in the area and there was a time a few years ago when the HA's in northern CA were in the news literally just about everyday.

http://news.yahoo.com/hells-angels-violent-shines-light-gang-074756318.html

either they were getting killed off by other clubs (there was the case of a Mongol who walked into a bar in San Francisco HA's home turf and killed their club President) or they were killing each other.

HA's in CA engage in what could be considered low-intensity warfare,or disorganized flareups with the Mongols and Vagos. its usually a case where rival clubs run into each other by happenstance, in a public place,and tempers get out of control and they fight on the spot. its typically not very organized or planned out. they are however, territorial and willing to shoot or stab things out at the first sight of a rival club's patch.

are they the most powerful chapters? I can't answer that, you sure as h#ll won't see a Mongol chapter in Oakland or SF, but they do have a chapter in nearby San Jose. norcal as a whole isn't really undisputed HA territory anymore,because Mongols are there,and Vagos in sacramento and santa cruz,etc. HA's seem to be fighting an uphill battle.

There is a Mongols chapter in SF.

Actually the Bandidos are much larger now in the US than the Outlaws and more powerful. From what I understand they are also larger right now than the HA but I'm not sure. I would say in the US the HA and Bandidos are #1 size wise followed by Sons of Silence then Outlaws and Vagos.

Having lived in San Francisco all my life I've had many encounters with members of the SF, Oakland, Daly City and some others. When I say encounters let me be clear - it's always been positive. I've never encountered a pool cue or steel toe. I'm not an associate or "hang around" as I don't ride and seldom attend events at the SF Clubhouse. My main connection is that I went to school with several members and worked with another. I've been friends with the guys I went to school with before any of us had drivers licenses - not that it stopped us...
All charters operate independently of each other in terms of business both legal and otherwise. I'm not going to reveal anything that isn't common knowledge but I will confirm a couple things and maybe dispel a rumor or two.
In SF the HA are involved in MANY legitimate businesses that provide members with a steady good income. They own and operate several motorcycle repair shops and sell used bikes. These are NOT chop-shops and for obvious reasons nobody will find anything stolen at these places. That being said, it's not unreasonable to believe that bikes and parts do find their way into members' possession from time to time without receipts. You'll have to go north to places like Shasta if you are missing something. SF HA also owns and operates FRISCO/415 clothing which does a steady business selling not only "support merch" but other shirts, jackets etc.. with catchy criminal phrases. Every wannabe tough guy in the Bay Area has probably bought something from them - it's very profitable. As far as drugs are concerned the SF and Daly City charters are heavily involved in the medicinal cannabis trade. They supply a good number of dispensaries throughout the Bay Area and operate quite a few grow houses in San Francisco. Members also have connections to other narcotics however these are not major revenue streams - if anything a few members may be considered "mid-level" dealers. Speed was a BIG money maker for many years in the 80s and 90s and the HA would supply what was known as "peanut butter" which was a brownish colored amphetamine. Potent but harsh - with the arrival of Sparkle, LA Glass and other types of speed the HA lost a lot of the market share to the point that nowadays only users close to the club by their speed from the Angels. Prostitution - all I know about their involvement in SF is that they serve as muscle, protection for "escorts" and "dancers". They are not actively out pimping or running brothels. Guns are available but if you are not a member or known associate then your chances are slim if a member will deal with you.
Much of the less than legal business of the SF Charter is not conducted in SF partially due to the location of the Clubhouse. It is in an area that thanks to the tech boom is becoming increasingly upscale - quickly. While the Angels may have the safest block for miles (some of the worst housing projects in SF are less than five minutes away)and they treat the neighbors well they also understand that the neighborhood is changing and that one too many calls to SFPD will bring unwanted attention.
As far as membership goes there are a few "hang around" chapters and you'll often see members of these chapters riding or hanging with full patch SF Angels. I'm not sure if they are prospecting individual members or entire "hang around" chapters for possible patching over but over the last five years there are more clubs in the Bay Area and quite a few seem to be Hells Angels "farm teams".
Finally, I don't know about SF being more brutal than other charters. I've never been on the receiving end of anything but a beer and a shot but I've witnessed their handywork. One time in particular stands out. It was a Bay Area thrash metal festival with Halford, Vio-Lence, Testament, Death Angel and several other bands playing so you knew it was going to be a night of "good friendly violent fun". The HA were out in force that night with at least a dozen members and an equal amount of prospects. I'm not sure how the altercation started but during the show a swarm of Angels went into the men's room. They were beating the living shit out of somebody and his friends were trying to get security to intervene to no effect. Almost as soon as it started they dragged a guy out of the restroom - he looked BAD - and they threw him down the escalator - it had not been working all night but was about three flights of stairs in height. Once the victim was thrown down the steel stairs of the escalator the Angels quickly gathered the prospects and left the building. From what I remember it was mostly the prospects that were in the mens room administering the beating. Since it's none of my business I've never asked about it but it wouldn't be out of the question to assume that this was a planned activity for the evening and that SOMEBODY was going to get bloodied perhaps as part of an initiation.

The rock machine has set up chapters in the USA and one of the chapters is in Texas which is Bandidos territory.