im fascinated about how a orginization that started in southern Italy rose to become the most powerful CO in Europe and some say even the world, its certently one of the wealthiest...to dominate the european drug trade..

how did it do it, was alot of it geographical advantages, or sheer intelligence/cunningness, making power plays etc.?

i assume it was a plethora of factors

Poverty, organisation, drugs and associated drug money and power. Endemic political and law enforcement corruption. Gateway to Europe. Geographical Gateway from Asia to Europe and NA.

A combination of government efforts focused on their Sicilian cousins for so many years, their international reach, as well as them forming extremely strong ties with groups in South America to take advantage of Europe's growing cocaine trade.

There is no organization called 'Ndrangheta.
That is simply a blanket name for a loosely connected collection of gangs.
There is no central structure, no organization and no hiarchey, and while they do weild some power in southern Italy, their global influence is highley over stated

inform yourself the arm
ndrangheta is highly organized and with a central structure and it run several italian cities included milan, turin, genoa and rome and it has cells in several european countries canada australia the states

Although, Buscetta said there is no 'ndrangheta and no camorra, and that the alliance that defeated Raffaele Cutolo was cosa nostra. He also said the most powerful people in 'ndrangheta are also cosa nostra.

yes but the calabrians have their own organization and its very organized, although you call them ndrangheta, santa or calabrian cosa nostra

Do you believe that La Santa is actually made up of cosa nostra?

in the past yes i don't know today

They say judge the organization by its actions, well in the past year 'Ndrangheta has been caught moving some serious weight in narcotics. I remember someone posting last year about what was it 7 tons of coke being caught on a ship headed for an Italian Port if I remember correct? If they aren't organized moving that kind of weight for billions of dollars then I'm no longer sure what organized means...

Of course it's organized. They just use a horizontal structure, not the conventional top to bottom.

That's true. My wife is Calabrese, and she hates being on top.

As soon as it left my fingers, I knew someone would say it.

LOL....Like Abruzese women !

There is no central structure and no hierarchy.....It is a blanket name for autonomous gangs most of whom have no contact with one another.
It is a term more closely comparable to “gangster” than Casa Nostra

You really need to stop with this now.

First off dont even bother wit da arm guys a fugazzy!

Second,not to question our Sicilian princess(and if im wrong just tell me to shut da fuck up about it), hasnt it come out that after a lot more investigating that the Ndrangheta has a more vertical hierarchy then previously thought and that its the camorra thats more horizantal?

if word get back to italy the way the arm has been talking than i wouldn't be surprised if the next time he's in canada on "business" he gets kidnapped. arm, brace yourself for the searing pain of calabrian chili's in your pee pee. ain't nuttin da calzone can do to fix it either pal.

yeah...they all know who "The ARM" is...and even if they did, I when they came at me I could throw a bag of smack and a $10 bill on the floor and they would all be on their hands and knees, and I would calmly walk away

Son...First...don't embarass yourself
Second..no, no such thing has come out and if it has on some dumb ass documentary on cable, it is bullshit. There is no organization called 'Ndrangheta, no central control, no structure, no hiarchey.
Anything eklse is pure fantasy

Is it time for more Arm spastic hysteria? I think it might just be.

methinks you suffer from a clinical case of projection complex my frind..I state facts cool and calmly...you and your ilk burst blood vessals.
All I can think of when I hear the 'Ndrangheta fantasy is "Carlos the Jackel"
He was a south American "terrorist" in the 70s and 80s. He was the Boogie man, the most dangerous man in the world, he was credited with killings and bombing all over the world, etc....In the end...turns out he killed one guy in France over a guns for drugs deal gone bad, tried to kill an Isreali diplomat but never got within a mile of him, and shot and wounded a member of the Popular front for the liberation of Palastine, and was wounded himself....thats it.
This 'Ndrangheta fantasy is both amusing and silly.

my ilk? what ilk would that be? People who don't pretend to be associated with organized crime families to (attempt to) impress people on an online community?

Last I checked the ability to communicate effectively without the use of profanity was how one displayed their calm, cool, collectedness. And, might I add that a "projection complex" is Algebra jargon, not the state of projecting ones insecurities onto others. Further, projection is a theory devised by one Sigmund Freud who has largely been denounced by modern psychology/psychiatry.

But of course, you knew all that, right? Or should we end this ridiculous charade?

See, there goes you blood presure rising again, and your projection kicking in again
Your ilk, is actually people who hear things second and third hand, and try to pass it off as irrefutable forst hand knowledge. That never works with people, like myself, who actually know what they are talking about. It just makes you look silly.
For the record, I am the type of guy who uses profanity when I am perfectly calm, if I am angey or upset, I become very articulate and a master wordsmith.
I told you before Corkey, I am the best connected guy someone like you will ever talk to, listen and learn, or listen to fucking mooks who cut and paste off FBI public web sites and parrot whet they heard on a documentary on Crime TV...your choice.
Bottom line on this topic...there is no super human calabrese boogie man gangsters hiding in the clost...it is fantasy, myth and hype

the ndrangheta bosses met every year in a calabrian mountain, santuario dei polsi
they have initiation ceremonies and are connected eachother
they even have a central structure now according to italian police, not horizontal anymore

pointless troll baiting.




I have no idea what "forst" is supposed to mean, but I have never once done this.



You're right, your ad hominem straw men arguments that lack any and all credibility totally make me look silly.




No, you're an uneducated ignoramus who uses words awkwardly and often incorrectly (projection complex, for example). Your syntax, spelling and grammar are generally atrocious and about on par with an autistic 12 year old. The only thing you're a master smith of is bullshit nobody believes but you.



Connected how? You're a nobody. An internet tough guy who obsessively tries to prove he's connected to a bunch of people who don't give a shit who you think you are.



I never made this claim... More strawman arguments. That all you got, pops?

I wrote Tommy Pitera a few times, am I connected yet?

You really need to get some anxiety meds son...you are entering a full blown melt down, not good for your long term health
Like I said son, keep nut sucking the mooks who cut and paste from Real deal, FBI misinformation sites, and other such bullshit, and keep obsessing over my every word. For some reason it strikes a nerve, but thyat is between you and your case worker. By the way Corkey, thinking you speak form "everyone" is another mental disorder, you may want to bring that up at your next appointment as well.
Bottom line Sport.....you can parrot and nut hug all the wannabe mafia historians you like...I have been in and around it 40 years...and you know shit.....thats a fact,
Oh, almost forgot,,when you resort to spell checking, that proves you are a little bitch, desperate and that...you lost

q: More strawman arguments. That all you got, pops?

And the answer is, yes, that is all you have. That's what I thought. Sit.

Edit: And I don't spell check, I'm just not a moron... But yes. Spell checking means I lost the "argument"... I can't even... And you're over 40 years old (supposedly)? This is the logic of a toddler.