No, I quite intentionally jumped on you for another incoherent post that asked and answered essentially "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?".

The point is- all the wishful thinking and just-so stories in the world do not overcome the fact that vast majority of mobsters have always been and continue to be democrats. Unless you seriously deny this, there is no point to this thread. Move on, the question has been answered. If you do deny this, I would love to see some actual information.

The question in the thread is a empirical one. Not a lets invent stories game or one of evaluating "ethos" like Sonny. You can't actually assess or challenge something that contains NO FACTS.

Yes, i guess that's a valid point, historically. But I think the Genovese are (or were) down with at least one Republican. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/nyregion/24christie.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

I remember seeing in Boardwalk Empire that Capone was trying to swing the Cicero election in the Republicans favour but that was nearly 100 years ago so both parties have changed agendas

Oh yea, they love former federal prosecutors.

I also love the article, pointing to vague family associations in attempt to smear someone. Somehow I think NYT wouldn't write such an article about a up-and-coming black candidate that had a distant cousin in the crips.

Tino died a free man, how many high ranking mob guys do that these days? No looking (honor system here) tell me how many Genovese men Christie put away in his stint as US Attorney? NJ is the Genovese Family's backyard.

did they check the mans birth certificate?

Its laughable because both parties are essentially the same with identical mercantilist agendas. Hence why elections in the last 30 years have mostly been about expounding on arbitrary social issues (abortion, gun control, stem cell research) as though they are worthy platforms from which to launch a political campaign.

In the last 20 years, privatized prisons have been a booming industry. The fed is chomping at the bit to throw people in jail for longer periods of time for lesser offences. This evolution of criminal justice has been going on seamlessly throughout republican and democratic presidential reigns. why? because the parties only pay lip service to their supposed differences. I mean, really, is Obama's presidency that different from Bush's? Not really. Same military industrial complex bullshit.

Nicky is probably (and I only say probably because I've never looked it up for myself) right but there's no harm in speculation. I wasn't saying I was right, just throwing out a hypothesis based on what I understand about politics.

Agreed. Both parties have moved far to the right on economic issues. Wall Street types have enormous influence over both.

Thanks to Pizzaboy for bringing this forgotten link to our attention.

Anyway, to respond to Sonny Blackstein's rant, nothing he wrote really disagrees with what I wrote earlier. I was writing about politically biased mischaracterizations put out by getthesenets, but Blackstein seems to think it was some sort of personal attack, which it wasn't. Pointing out facts is not pointless rhetoric.

Seems more like Democrats, which have always held some sort of corruption. Tammany Hall did employ Irish gangs for voter intimidation. Democrats have always "helped" immigrants, but mostly the bad ones.

My pleasure, buddy .

Overall, would have to agree with Paddy James. There are exceptions, of course. In the 1920s the corrupt mayor was Big Bill Thompson and the clean one was a Democrat. Thompson lost his last race to a corrupt Democrat, Anton Cermak, and it has been in the hands of corrupt Democrats ever since. In Atlantic City, the corrupt mayor was Enoch Johnson, another Republican. In New York City it was the other way around, with corrupt Democrats until Fiorello LaGuardia, who was an anti-crime Republican.

Individual cases of corruption aside, in terms of general policy, the Republicans are generally anti-union and strong on law and order, so less friendly to organized crime. If the Libertarians ever came to power it would be a different story. They would probably decriminalize all illegal drugs, legalize loan sharking (without the violence) and all forms of gambling and prostitution. However, they aren't too pro-union.

In my day there was no liberal Italians where I lived. But they definately did business with unions and democrates. Because liberal democrates believed and still do I think in the end justifies the means.

My normal part of me knows the end never justifies the means.

No one that I knew in those days voted I didn't.

You know what? Speak for yourself. My grandparents lived at 325 Pleasant for fifty years. And while they weren't very liberal themselves, that neighborhood as a whole, like every other immigrant stronghold, Italian or otherwise, had way more registered Democrats than Republicans. It's a matter of public record, if researching such a thing interests you.

But you don't strike me as the type who ever voted anyway, so what am I telling you for?

I know that my party affiliation is a democrate. But the democratic party is not same as I was a kid. It's the not same at all.

But some knuckleheads still vote for them any way.

I only started to vote in the last 15 years. I would never vote democrates. Not that I am a fanatic about voting. Got really pissed off my wife for voting for that great leader of men Obama.

Pizza do you vote for those liberal democrates now? Isn't their Idea that the end justifies the means or am I wrong about that?

Well, I actually just made a similar point in one of the other threads (yesterday, I think).

It's an indisputable fact that many Italian Americans who were Democrats while they lived in the old Italian strongholds, switched parties when they moved to the suburbs (which actually coincided with the Democratic Party going off the rails and becoming ultra-liberal ).

No. Check my initial reply just above this post.

So democrates Italian incidently were asking us to sign a petition for a democrat running for something. My wife was talking to them.

Then I come out and ask them what do you think about our president and our Mayor. It was not good. I said is this guy different they said he was very different. My wife signed it. They asked me why don't I sign it. I tell them because I don't know you so I don't trust you. How do I know your not lying to get me to sign.

I just answered no to this question, but I should really clarify. I don't vote for the loony tunes on the far right, either. I consider myself a moderate, which manages to piss everyone off. So I must be doing something right .

Far right are those the tea party mostly old people who think we should follow the constitution?

I frankly don't see how they are far right looney tunes.

Far right were invented by liberal democrates who had to demon the tea party.

Far left really dig the occupy wall street anarchists.

I went down there when they were demonstrating.

They were made up of a lot of young kids who knew nothing about anything.

They were lead by their noses by old fart anarkists communists white guys.

They would say something. These kids just repeated what they said word for word like machines who could not think for themselves.

During a low I told some of these kids. That those guys leading them are full of shit and to go home.

Two of those leaders came up to me both younger them me, and started to insult me. I stuck my fingers in their eyes and droped them both. Then oi told this kuds these guys don't care about you go home.

Funny never a cop around when they needed them

Lastly Germany plays Brazil in 15 minutes. Watch Brazil get knocked out of the tournament I hope.

Should be a good freaking game.

i'm sure bush the 2nd was a better president

obama stopped the bleeding which is all he could do with what he was given

america probably won't ever fully recover from what bush and the repubs did

Does that mean you won't be posting for a few hours?

Yes brazil 1 Germany 7. Could have been 10 -1. Holy cow.

Fucking shocking .

The young Bush was a pussy. But even that jerk off was better then Obama.

Do you think you are better off then you were 6 years ago personally now?

Oh, please. Like Bush didn't inherit a mess from Clinton. And Clinton didn't inherit a mess from Bush the First. And Bush the First didn't inherit a mess from Reagan. And Reagan didn't inherit a mess from Carter. You're pretty dumb, but even you have to see where I'm going here. Every administration blames the last.

I supported Obama in 2008 and I'm big enough to admit that he's the biggest disappointment since the New Coke. He'll be a pariah when he checks out of office. Not that he gives a shit. Not as long as he and his mutt wife can keep getting their pictures taken with Jay Z and and the other skank.

You want America to recover? Here's an idea: Get off your ass and get a fucking job, instead of living down to the most repugnant stereotype in this history of this once great country.

I think you'll find in said 'rant' I actually disagreed with everything you said.

Point by point.