Does anybody know any details on the 2004 commission meeting at trattoria stella in traverse city michigan. I understand that guys representing all 5 ny families, chicago and detroit were there. Were any other families there. Who makes up the commission nowadays. A lot of people say the last commission meeting was in the 80's, but i heard their was two in the 90's and one in '04. Can anybody confirm this?

When was this?!!!! I have never read this , even in a unsubstantiated post ive never heard this until now, very interested in finding out though sounds like bs Imho.

Last one I heard about was after Gotti and Gigante and all the big guys went to jail. It was basically Massino and a bunch of acting bosses. Seems like it was early 00's.

Last known commision meeting was 2000

This isnt stuff you read. Im asking the people on here that know people first hand. This is stuff you'll probaly read about 20 years from now that comes from a guy that rats.

Ok, well where can I read it on here?

The last one was around 2000 with Messino from the Bonanno crime family as the only official boss of the five families attending, while the other members were acting bosses with the other crime families. The 2004 meeting I believe was members of the Gambino, Genovese, and Lucchese crime families administration meeting to discuss Messino flipping as well as the conflicts in the Colombo crime family.

Massino has said that the one in 2000 wasn't even classed as a commission meeting , he says the bosses of the families still meet informally but to his mind the commission doesn't really exist anymore because the five bosses rarely seem to be on the street at the same time

Yeah, the last known one was in 2000 and included Bonanno boss Joseph "Big Joey" Massino, Bonanno underboss Salvatore "Good Looking Sal" Vitale, Genovese ruling panel member Lawrence "Little Larry" Dentico, Gambino acting boss Peter "Petey Boy" Gotti, Lucchese acting boss Louis "Louie Bagels" Daidone, and Colombo consigliere Joel "Waverly" Cacace.

Whether one wants to consider that an actual Commission meeting or not is another debate.

To the original point, there would be no reason, and extremely unlikely, for the NY families to meet with Chicago or Detroit.

I could be forgetting but I don't recall any details about a meeting in 2004 though I wouldn't be surprised if meetings similar to the 2000 one happened since.

It's mainly just captains that meet up now. Too risky for the bosses.

Yea, tommy. Thats what i heard about the 2004 meeting. No bosses were present, but was still considered a commission meeting.

It blows my mind how most posters on this forum think all OC activities are on the internet. If you cant find it online, then it dont exist. Lol.Correct me if im wrong but, last i heard, cosa nostra was a secret society.

Lol I no it's funny as hell. If it on the internet it has to be true lol.

Love it

I wanted to go into a social club to use their telephone because my car broke down but there was a big sign saying "Commission Meeting - back in 20 minutes" on the door so I had to go somewhere else.

True story.

They were probably talking about who killed Jimmy Hoffa and JFK XD

Keep in mind one of the base functions for commission meetings is to manage inter family rackets. Eg concrete club, windows etc.

With OC pushed out of most unions etc there is very little inter-family racketeering going on and therefor little actual requirement for a commission to get together.

LCN is still involved in unions, but rarely more than a single family's influence at a time.

Chicago and genovese still interact over the teamsters, Even though Chicago is the number 1 power nationwide.... Coli and glimco are the Guys in Chicago

Cosa nostra capos matassa jr and Danny pagano are brother inlaws and involved in the union movement

Dom cirillo also knows a few of the boys in Chicago from there meetings in the 80s and as messagario.

all five family representatives are gonna be wired for the next commission meetings

Actually, cases going back over a decade show case after case of the NY families working in joint-operations. And remember the recent WSJ article that talked about how the family's are less territorial and more open to collaboration than in the past as long as they are earning.



No recent examples of this that I'm aware of.



We both know that's not true. And since when did you come to that conclusion? I remember when you were arguing with guys on the RD forum about the Outfit not being as strong as they were claiming. You talked about how "loans were down" and the feds only having a couple guys tracking them. More recently you were talking up the Genovese as the top family. And now you're back to the Outfit? You flip flop back and forth like crazy.



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cook, do you come to these boards to stir up the shit with your anti-New York crap? It's getting old.... and just plain annoying. Stop it already!

naw the shit is just funny to me

u should hear what i have to say about this new generation of gangbangers

you are histerical dude....get over it already the outfit wont even exist in 10 years

Guys..lets be realistic here. There is no amount of OC racketeering in Detroit or Chicago that warrants a face to face meeting between made men above the rank of capo. It's not worth the risk these days. Frankly I'm inclined to say if is not documented, it never happened. And as much as some of you like to believe there are still cross-family, nation-wide conspiracies between bosses, there isn't. The last commission meeting was the Massino meeting and he even debates that.

Barrett, i dont think its outta pocket to say theres cross family business going on. I heard jack tocco and john difronzo are very close friends.with them being so close, i cant see them not having any business ventures together. I would also say i think the older new york guys definitely work with chicago and detroit cause those 2 cities are so low key.im sure everyone on here can agree that ny lacks a low key profile.and im not trying to get a chicago vs new york or chicago/detroit vs ny thread going on here. Yes, ny has much more mob activity. But i think theres way to much money to be made for different families not to work together. That being said, i believe my source that the '04 commission meeting existed

I really dont understand what people mean when they say that "ny isnt low key". Ofcourse because its so big they can only stay but so far under the radar, but people(usually the midwest guys) tries to make it out like everyone in new york is fucking john gotti and its getting a little ridicoulous. Its not like you could just drive around manhattan, brooklyn, or the bronx and just see them all over the place cause you cant...just like EVERYWHERE else you gotta know where to look

Driving around ny and seeing a shitload of wiseguys isnt what im talking about. When i say low key, difference between midwest and east coast, you cant figure out for shit what type of illegal business a midwest guy is doing. He dont brag, he doesnt drive a bmw or even a caddy. He says i work in the union or i own a painting company. You meet a new york wiseguy at the bar, next thing you know your able to place bets, he asking if you wanna go partners on a drug business, then hes jumping in a range rover. I dont care how much bigger ny is, its definitely not as low key as wiseguys in the midwest

DiFronzo is basically retired now. If he has any business going on with Tocco it's of the legitimate kind.

Wiseguys are the same everywhere. The reason why theyre more "low key" in chicago is bc there are just less of them. I have never believed all that BS about associates being = to NY soldiers and chicago soldiers being equal to NY capos. Sure there are a bunch of young kids in ny and nj who like to brag about being in a crew but to say chicago guys are different bc they are connected to unions(supposedly) and have legit interest just isnt true, as i said wiseguys are pretty much the same everywhere.

I run a legit construction crew