We are seeing cases where religious people are being forced to provide services for things like gay weddings. Likewise, Obamacare would force the owners of Hobby Lobby to provide birth control services they consider wrong.



That begs the question, what "certain part" of the cycle? At what point does the child inside the woman become worthy of protecting? And who is qualified to make such a judgement? All that happens is that people come up with some arbitrary line based on absolutely nothing. One day it's OK to abort the baby, the next day it's not.



I'm shocked. I'm not sure if olivant is serious or playing what he would consider devil's advocate.

I'll admit it's a tough for me and for a lot of people where to draw the line with abortion. It's a very complicated issue. You raise good questions Ivy I don't pretend to have the answers.

"Obamacare would force the owners of Hobby Lobby to provide birth control services they consider wrong."

I guess they'll be adding add some new hobbies to their repertoire.

sounds like you and alot of other people need to learn how mind your own busines

women getting abortions in arizona should't affect someone in beantown

Sounds like you need to fuck off. Seriously man I didn't respond to you after yet again you called me a "racist" but still you insist on provoking me.

This is an issue that anyone can talk about and frankly needs to be discussed, so I'll fucking talk about it if I want to. How bout you find the nearest bridge and hop on over it? I assure you no one will miss you

you'd probably sell your daughter if you could get away with it like most rightwingers

this is 2013/14.....this ain't 1827

how are u gonna tell a woman in another state what she can do with her body?

i bet having women bosses irks you too

Put a cork in it, you two. Cut out this shit!

Tell him that. All due respect this guy trolls the crap out of me.

Another shooting at Fort Hood.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-...src=al_national

i ain't got a clue what kinda relaxed security they have at fort hood

u would think after the last massacre that they'd shoot the 1st mothafucka looking suspicious

I'm hearing now there was one shooter and that shooter is dead. But I think some deaths and many injured.




TIS

Ft. Hood:

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/fort-ho...n-killed-n70276

Kly/DT:

The bail for the accused in the Kansas City shootings was set at $10 million. Being so high, why not remand him? What's the point of the high bail?

This was a sickening crime. I'm guessing that bail was imposed as a result of a state statute or state constitutional requirement. If bail is required by law to be set, it would have to be at such a figure that balances the two primary objectives of bail: to secure the presence of the defendant at all court proceedings, and to protect the public from the harm. It could have been just as easily determined that the danger he presents to the community with the likelihood of conviction are so great that the defendant should be held without bail.


This guy will also be facing federal hate crime prosecution, so he'll be also held on a federal detainer.

It's sad that some real quality people, including a 14 year old boy with his grandfather, can lose their lives in a random second at the hands of a loathsome jackass with detestable beliefs.

Thanks Kly. Also, it's my understanding that all of the victims were Christians.

Just watched this documentary about the 2007 murder of Kenneth Doleszar in Salt Lake CIty, Utah and I really think they got the wrong man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FINb2kAeeV0

I usually believe the prosecution in many cases, but here I would bet money they are full of bullshit. Too many loose ends and contradictions. I felt sorry for the man and his wife, it's one thing to frame a mafia boss for one murder he didn't commit but really committed many others (even this is not ok, to be honest), but to frame a normal person with no motive, while everything points to another individual who wasn't even considered as a suspect and still isn't, makes me think he bought the cops.

Three friends on crack.

NBC Miami – Neighbors who were smoking crack together in the Florida Keys wound up behind bars after one started swinging a machete at the other, authorities said. The incident happened late Wednesday night when deputies responded to reports of a man swinging a machete at people on Point Pleasant Drive in Key Largo, the Monroe County Sheriff’s Office said. Deputies found a couple who claimed their neighbor, 53-year-old Antonio Motes-Diaz, had been swinging the machete. As the investigation continued, the couple admitted they had been drinking beer and smoking crack with Motes before the machete incident, authorities said. Motes claimed the couple became upset when he ran out of crack and said the woman spat on him and the man, identified as 26-year-old Christopher Stevens, had attacked him, authorities said. Motes said he grabbed a baseball bat and then a machete to “defend himself,” authorities said. Deputies charged Motes with aggravated assault. Stevens was arrested after he was found to be in possession of Alprazolam, a generic Xanax, without a prescription. Both Motes and Stevens were being held without bond Thursday, and it was unknown whether they have attorneys.


As the old mantra goes, the couple that smokes crack together, stays together. Such a cute couple, drinking beer and smoking crack. And how lucky of them their neighbor shares similar interests. Would love to be invited to their neighborhood picnic. Would be a doozy. Crack pipes next to the pulled pork, machetes in place of the cutlery. Now what happened here was the neighbor, Motes, ran out of crack. That’s a huge no-no. You can’t offer crack to your neighbors, and then run out. That’s ridiculous. It’s like your friend who you invite over but he brings 3 beers, and then offers you one. Uh, thanks man. Nice sixer minimum, light beer 12er is standard, anything more is a plus. You don’t want to be that guy who gets the machete pulled on your ass in Florida.

Huge addiction rate in the Keys. Island fever, I guess.

Still, I love the Keys. Key West is an experience, I'll tell you that much .

Considering this guy kidnapped, beat, raped, shot, and buried a girl alive, this is basically good news.


Clayton Lockett Was Tasered On The Day Of His Botched Execution

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/01/clayton-lockett-taser-execution_n_5249690.html

No loss.

If you don't execute this guy, the statute doesn't belong on the books.

Agreed. I heard about that on the news here the other day in the UK, no surprise our media comletely focused on the problems with the execution. After googling him and finding out what he did, i couldn't care less. Good riddance.

I also love it when they postpone an execution, and spend countless tax dollars, because the convict isn't "healthy" enough to execute.

I mean, think about that for a minute. Whether you're pro or anti-death penalty, does that make any sense at all?

It's retarded.

Seriously?? You just blew my mind PB

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/02/al...cts-christians/

Speaking at the Pastor for Life Luncheon, which was sponsored by Pro-Life Mississippi, Chief Justice Roy Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court declared that the First Amendment only applies to Christians because “Buddha didn’t create us, Mohammed didn’t create us, it was the God of the Holy Scriptures” who created us.

“They didn’t bring the Koran over on the pilgrim ship,” he remarked January 17 at the event in Jackson, Mississippi. “Let’s get real, let’s go back and learn our history. Let’s stop playing games.”

Lilo, along the lines of your post and the one in another thread where there is a robust debate going on about the existence of God. As an adjunct to that thread, I encourage you to read this newspaper item about the SCOTUS opinion concerning prayer opening a city council meeting. It has a link to the SCOTUS opinion which starts out with a syllabus of that opinion. It's an interesting opinion in a 5-4 decision.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/...tcmp=latestnews

Thanks for the link. It is interesting. I wonder if some folks will be nonchalant once demographics change and non-Christian prayers become more prevalent. I think Kagan gets it right.

Moore is a lunatic. Guys like that make it that much harder for Christians who quietly go about their beliefs.

And no offense to our friends down south, but that this happened in Alabama doesn't help dispel the stereotype about guns and religion (Fundamentalist Christianity in particular) .

Keep in mind that Moore, like Clive Bundy, refused to obey a federal court order and was consequently removed from his Supreme Court position by the Alabama Court of Justice. He won election to the Court in 2013.

Yeah, I knew that, Oli. But that he was elected to begin with speaks volumes.

One of the reasons why I don't believe in electing appellate judges.