Exactly, Dom. That's the "unspoken" agreement I was talking about.


Different government, different ballgame .

Well and the fact you serve like ten years in Canada for murder one. The jail time guys get in Canada is a joke compared to similar mafia crime in the states.

And that's why it's still the Wild West up there when it comes to the mob. And it looks to stay that way. For the imminent future, anyway.

I bet desjardins hopes he will get longer than 10 years , he is gonna be a marked man wen he is released

Umm, you DO know Canada's a different country dont you?

That will be about the time Scorese will make the Irshman. They are all about the same age. I can see Gravanzo being cast in that movie on screen and as an adviser behind the scenes.

Yeah sonny I'm well aware of that , just talking about the comparisons there have been a million killings in Montreal recently and the Feds don't seem to be coming down on them to hard , if that was happening in New York the Feds would try and wipe the mob off the map

I don't see any advantage to a Family sanctioned hit on the Bull. First off,the Mob has enough problems just surviving,let alone taking a chance on a murder/RICO case. Second of all,who even gives a rat's behind about him anymore?
Sammy has more to fear from some young gang member or unconnected psycho cugine who might kill him just so he can talk smack in between crack pipe hits.

They'll never wipe them "off the map", and if you think things like RICO and the federales have been effective at stopping them or making them weak, well they haven't.

What is a cugine? A racist term? It does not mean cousin in Italian.

You're out of your mind if you think they haven't been weakened. And we're not talking about Sicily or even Canada. We're talking about America. The American mob is not going away anytime soon. But they're nowhere near as strong as they used to be, either.

You really contradict yourself a lot, Cornuto. And I'm not looking to argue with you. It's just that in one thread you call the American mob a kindergarten class, and then you post that the "Federales" haven't weakened them .

Well, they have.

Federal enforcement has been a key factor in reducing the effective capabilities of Italian OC. Fact.

It's just an expression. Sometimes it's derogatory. But sometimes, with each other, it can be affectionate. Almost like the way Black kids throw around the N-Word

Bigboy I agree with you there, the quality of most places sucks unless he is at a medical facility. I think this is a state case so the quality probably does really suck. The thing is if you are going to get charged, make sure it's federal so you'll have it made. State joints and county joints suck.



Yea no joke dom. If he ever gets out he is a dead man walking. Hell with Ponytail dying in prison of poisoning of all things it makes you wonder when Raynald gets his dose too....

Yes and no. Its a little convoluted. There is no single legislation that targets OC like rico, but a myriad of different laws that amount to a similar situation.. however because there are sometimes disconnects between these laws it is often easier to find legal loop holes. RICO would also be a violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms as you cannot persecute people for being part of an organization, criminal or otherwise (there may be an exception for 'terrorist' groups such as the FLQ [French Sovereignty group] in the 1970's; but I'm not sure). The issue with RICO is that it's sort of like "pre-crime" and in Canada you can't lock someone away for crimes they may commit in the future.

(I know that's not what RICO does technically -- It locks people away for longer sentences based on the crime they actually did commit AND an association with criminal elements under one banner on the predication that they are more likely to be prone to recidivism)

Nicky is partially correct, however, 10 years is the minimum mandatory sentence for murder 1... so there's a bit of hyperbole there hehe. But yes, our prison sentences tend to be much lighter. However I still don't see losing a decade of your life as being any sort of joke (IMO). There is no clear social benefit to locking away (most of) these men for life, either though, so there's that to consider.

The kid who told on spero from the bat have crew was just in Brooklyn. Happens more than people think. I forget the kids name and don't care to look. U guys know who I'm talking about

He got arrested at a dunkin donuts for beating up a kid who supposedly spit at him and called him a rat

Jimmy calandra if my memory serves me right.

It happens A LOT more than people think. One of the rats in the old 1998 Scores case has been lending cash as a freelancer lately. He's at the video slots casino at Yonkers Raceway every day. I mean, Greg and his son are both dead, Junior's out of the life, so what does he really have to worry about?

Didn't mean to come off as a racist. I should probably have mentioned that I'm Italian. The way we always used the word "cugine" was to describe a young, cocky, wiseguy wanna-be.
Exclusively applied to Italian-American males,it is a disrespectful and contemptuous term that we use for those that are an embarassment.

I do agree that it is like an African American using the N-word.Even though it is used by one of the same race,it is still not a proper way to refer to another person.

I wasn't thinking when I used the term,and the fact that I am Italian doesn't excuse my use of the word.Apologies if anyone took offense.

"Now go get your fu**ing shine box." (Just kidding,thought it would be a funny line to throw in).

You didn't say anything wrong, Lou. I'm Italian American on both sides. I've been a Sons of Italy member for over 30 years. My Dad has an OSIA chapter named for him and my Uncle. My point is, I can be fairly sensitive about the stereotype, and it didn't offend me at all. The truth is, sometimes stereotypes ARE true. And a lot of those assholes ARE cugines .

I had never heard the term before. I did a google search and someone claimed it meant cousin but I looked up the word for cousin in Italian, and it is not the word used.

The slurs I have seen used for Italians are "Guido", "wop", "Dago", and "Guinea". I am not sure why "I guide" is a slur were lots of Italian men drivers at first when they came to America like with a stage coach or later car? Why is the term "Guinea" used or is that from when Italians controlled some countries in Africa?

Just to give you an idea, when Italian-American men use it amongst themselves, I'd say it's comparable to the term Vato with Mexican men.

But when outsiders say it about Italian-American men, it's usually in a negative context.

Cugino means cousin in Italian. Cugin' is just the way neapolitans say it.

Yeah, Sammy isn't looking too well these days. I guess an unrepentant serial killer like him would have no problem snitching on another mafia guy to save his own ass. But he got a "get out of jail free card" and promptly blew it.

From what I've always understood, Florence ADX is a federal supermax facility and that is where Gravano is. So why is it that you think he's in a state joint getting state care??? Unless something has either changed or the media and everyone else including the BOP has been telling lies to everyone as to where he has been doing his time.

The ecstasy charges were joint federal and state charges. Sammy's in an Arizona state prison:

http://www.azcorrections.gov/inmate_data...Type=SearchInet

What's happening is, he's serving the Arizona State charges concurrently with the federal charges.

Ok. He was in ADX for a time though, as thats where Karen went to visit him. When did he get transferred?

I always thought when the feds take over a state case, the feds thereby have precedence over the case and it then becomes a fed case. I understand the state charges running concurrent with the federal charges but because this crime involved interstate characteristics, it is predominantly a federal case/crime/and conviction? No?

Well, the way I understand it, it was the Arizona Department of Corrections that did the placement. So for the early years of the sentence, they were probably happy to hand him off to the Feds at Florence. One less mouth to feed.

And as far as how often and where he's been transferred over the years, they've more than likely kept that off their public databases due to the nature of his past.

But what comes around goes around. Fuck him.