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Can a made guy be in two families at once?
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Re: Can a made guy be in two families at once?
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I think he is referring to cases like Frank Buccieri or Anthony Pinelli, who were both made in Chicago but were sent out west to "look after" the San Diego and L.A. families respectively. Although technically, they weren't a member of both families simultaneously. Fair enough .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Can a made guy be in two families at once?
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The Arm claimed to be made in the Lucchese, Gambino, Bonanno, Genovese, Colombo and DeCavalcante families at the same time and he also claimed to have been a shooter in the Galante, Luongo and Castellano hits so.... maybe? You mean he wasn't?
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Re: Can a made guy be in two families at once?
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@Australian
It would be a poor financial decision for an up and comer to be made and work for 2 families at once. The families pretty much work together and settle disputes (relatively) amicably these past few decades. Many associates find themselves doing business with men of different families. IF the books open and there's new blood, a button is going to be given to the best earners (or in some cases good enforcers/ guys who will kill anything). Once you're made, you've just officially joined the largest multigenerational pyramid scheme in American history. Whoever is your new skipper is the guy who you owe every week.
So if you were made in a second family, you would owe 2 skippers every week. Since a guy can only scam X amount of hours and dollars per week, there would be less pie to go around to each master. I'm no wise guy, but I wouldn't want to be having to scam for 2 different Captains.
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Re: Can a made guy be in two families at once?
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It hasn't happened and will never happen Definitive answer. Next thread.
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Re: Can a made guy be in two families at once?
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Has there not been guys who were made in Sicily and then made again in the US?
Sal Catalano could have been one...
British is best....
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Re: Can a made guy be in two families at once?
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You can't be made again in the U.S. if you have already been made in Sicily. Catalano wasn't made twice. You swear your allegiance to Palermo and that's that. The same applies to the American families. End of story.
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Re: Can a made guy be in two families at once?
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Well, Roselli "belonged" to Chicago, even though he spent most of his criminal career in California. I never thought he was actually considered a part of the L.A. family, he just worked closely with them on behalf of Chicago. My understanding is that Roselli was originally a Capone associate, moved to California and was made there. Jimmy Fratianno said that Roselli was the one who sponsored him into the LA Family. Later, Roselli was transfered to the Chicago outfit. There are examples of others who transfered from one Family to another, so it´s not totally unheard of. But generally, a member can not transfer unless there´s a good reason for it. And of course, the bosses must approve of the move. And just to clarify, a made guy can not be a member of two Families at the same time.
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Re: Can a made guy be in two families at once?
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Well, Roselli "belonged" to Chicago, even though he spent most of his criminal career in California. I never thought he was actually considered a part of the L.A. family, he just worked closely with them on behalf of Chicago. My understanding is that Roselli was originally a Capone associate, moved to California and was made there. Jimmy Fratianno said that Roselli was the one who sponsored him into the LA Family. Later, Roselli was transfered to the Chicago outfit. There are examples of others who transfered from one Family to another, so it´s not totally unheard of. But generally, a member can not transfer unless there´s a good reason for it. And of course, the bosses must approve of the move. And just to clarify, a made guy can not be a member of two Families at the same time. It always seemed to me like Roselli took orders from either Ricca, Accardo, or Giancana, which I always interpreted as him being a made Chicago guy.
Curiously enough, I've never heard of Fratianno being sponsored by Roselli but then again who knows how they operated over there in Cali... I don´t remember the details, but Roselli took orders from those guys once he was under their leadership (late 1950s). Faithful would know more of this. I think this was explained in an earlier thread. (I think it was on this forum.)
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Re: Can a made guy be in two families at once?
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Well, Roselli "belonged" to Chicago, even though he spent most of his criminal career in California. I never thought he was actually considered a part of the L.A. family, he just worked closely with them on behalf of Chicago. My understanding is that Roselli was originally a Capone associate, moved to California and was made there. Jimmy Fratianno said that Roselli was the one who sponsored him into the LA Family. Later, Roselli was transfered to the Chicago outfit. There are examples of others who transfered from one Family to another, so it´s not totally unheard of. But generally, a member can not transfer unless there´s a good reason for it. And of course, the bosses must approve of the move. And just to clarify, a made guy can not be a member of two Families at the same time. Well, that's what the original question was, Hairy. Transferring to another crew is patently different from being made into two families at the same time . But you got it right in the end .
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Re: Can a made guy be in two families at once?
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Biago Digiacomo was made in Sicily and Boston.
raymond l.s.patrairca sr to u.s. state committee- " if i didnt have my case coming up ill to come back in here with two gentlemen and when this is over with and really lay down the law, yous guys been giving me nothing but alot of hookwhick and i wish i wasnt on trial and have this case and really tell the united states whats going on " Jerry Anguilo on wartime with winter hill - " If we got to war we got Joe Russo and the maverick boys so we have nothing to worry about they can go to vietnam and come back untouched "
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