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Re: The Final Episode Explained [Re: SC] #798675
08/27/14 03:05 PM
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David Chase may have finally answered the question that has been bugging Sopranos fans since the series ended 7 years.

Did Tony Soprano live or die?

From: Vox.com

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On occasion he breaks his reserve, but makes it clear that I am not to write about anything he says that is an interpretation of his own work, since he believes that the art of entertaining is leaving the audience imagination to run wild. So when he answered the "Did Tony die" question, he was laconic.

Just the fact and no interpretation. He shook his head "no." And he said simply, "No he isn't." That was all.



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Welles' magic, Bunuel's real-looking dreams, Poe's sand that keeps flowing through our fingers no matter what we try to do to stop it, are the inspirations for the cut to black. The cut to black brought to American television the sense of an ending that produces wonder instead of the tying-up of loose ends that characterizes the tradition of the formulaic series. Tony's decisive win over his enemy in the New York mob, Phil Leotardo, is the final user-friendly event in Chase's gangster story that gratifies the desire to be conclusive, and it would have been the finale of a less compelling gangster story. The cut to black is the moment when Castaneda and the American Romantics rise to the surface and the gangster story slips through our fingers and vanishes.

I'm not guessing. When I asked Chase about the cut to black, he said that it is about Poe's poem "Dream Within a Dream." "What more can I say?" he asks when I prod him to speak more, and I admire his silence. I am his audience too and he wants me to reach for his meaning. And here's what I conclude. Though you wouldn't know it from watching Hollywood movies, endings are by nature mysterious. There is the instability of loss in an ending as well as the satisfying sense of completion. American television before Chase, with the exception of David Lynch's Twin Peaks, one of Chase's avowed key inspirations for the art of The Sopranos, built a craft that dispenses with the destabilizing aspects of an ending. The true art of closure will not tolerate such a boring decision. Moreover, the art of closure forbids merely telling the audience in words that there is loss, since words can create the illusion of safety and control. Chase's art seeks a silent level of knowing more profound than words. He believes we already know if we open up to that deeper part of us.


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Re: The Final Episode Explained [Re: SC] #798914
08/28/14 10:13 AM
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I posted that about 5 post above.. smile


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

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Re: The Final Episode Explained [Re: SC] #798917
08/28/14 10:23 AM
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And there's flak coming from Chase's camp that Vox took his comments completely out of context.

Re: The Final Episode Explained [Re: Its_da_Jackeeettttttt] #798920
08/28/14 10:35 AM
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Yea I heard Chase NOW says it's a matter of interpretation. I don't think he knew how to end the series. So, just throw something together and let the viewer interpret. confused

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Re: The Final Episode Explained [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #798923
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
So, just throw something together and let the viewer interpret. confused

smile

TIS


Sounds like Season 4.

Re: The Final Episode Explained [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #798932
08/28/14 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: Its_da_Jackeeettttttt
My regret is I didn't find this board until years after the fact.

We used to have good time on alt.tv.sopranos, but that's just degenerated into some spam hellhole.



Its_da_Jackeeettttttt,

I didn't have HBO then. A friend at work had the first season (maybe 2) on video and she lent them to me to watch. I was hooked immediately & ordered HBO before the next season started.

Being on the West Coast it aired 3 hours later (or so I thought)on HBO. Every Sunday I'd hold back from going to the Sopranos thread cause I hadn't seen the episode yet. It killed me.

Well, little did I realize that I HAD HBO East Coast as well as West. lol No, the roots are not blonde. lol
Needless to say, I was thrilled to join in the discussions AS the episode aired.

TIS


Oh my goodness, that story is priceless TIS! lol

Re: The Final Episode Explained [Re: SC] #799227
08/29/14 02:57 PM
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When I first read it I thrust my fist in the air and yelled "YES, FUCKING VINDICATED!"

Then I read the chase response and was like

"FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!"

It drives me nuts how coy he plays about the ending. I bet he totally mislead the journalist purposely just so could pull a "backsies" and troll us all.

Last edited by slumpy; 08/29/14 02:59 PM.
Re: The Final Episode Explained [Re: SC] #803496
09/18/14 07:12 AM
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There was a deleted scene where a 4th person walks into the restaurant, they walk up to the table and low and behold its Vito jr with a revolver.

"Whos the Puerto Rican whore now Tony ?" Pop, Pop he puts two bullets in him, drops the revolver and leaves.


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Re: The Final Episode Explained [Re: SC] #803540
09/18/14 01:10 PM
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haha, good one..


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: The Final Episode Explained [Re: SC] #803545
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Not to be off topic but speaking of the last episode, I felt like bobby should of been more beware of his surroundings and kept a pistol on him at all times. He made it that easy to get whacked knowing that the family ( soprano family ) was at war with New York and on top of all that, he was in the 3rd position of the top administration of the family. When I saw the scene of him getting clipped, I couldn't understand why he made it that easy to be found and killed. Just a thought

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