That's true, the lives of all civilians, both American and foreign, have equal value. I don't get it, do people disregard the value of the lives of the non-American ones in this case? It's the politicians' and the terrorists' fault after all, and the ones who died under the bombings in Iraq and Afganistan are victims as much as the ones who died at 9/11. Respect to them all, independently from the nationality.

I don't see it as insult to those who died that day, but an insult to the government, which does deserve to be insulted like any other government on this planet. There is no such thing as an "honest politician".

I can't for the life of me find where exactly any member diregarded any of these deaths? Naturally on a 9/11 thread, the victims are going to be mentioned before the victims of the resulting wars. Also according to Cornuto it's not the terrorist fault, as it was a Government attack.

I agree that all Governments are shitty and an insult to them is warranted. Not on 9/11 though, unless of course you believe the conspiracy theories, which i can't for the life of me understand why anyone would.

I had thought this no worries..

I don't think there is a single conspiracy theory regarding 911.

Wide range of opinions, from those who just question some of the information we've been given by our government regarding the attacks, all the way to those who have their minds made up that it was orchestrated by our government.

I don't think this was a troll thread but more like a trap thread. On a discussion board it is virtually impossible to argue/prove one side of this issue.

Insults will fly,people will dodge points, but by the end of the thread everybody will still have the same viewpoint that they did before they clicked on the thread.

You know what I miss most about the world trade center? They used to have free concerts there every now and then. I would meet my wife and we would see them. I remember seeing the guy from Herman's hermits. My oldest son is 44 now he liked one of there songs.

Please don't get the idea from reading this that I am a pussy. Or from I like to dress up in nice suits, with French cuff shirts with nice jewelry. Or because i dig soccer. Or because I like to see broadway musicals. Wait, maybe I became a pussy some how? It's my fucking wife that it that fucking bitch she did this to me.

Pointless thread which was only created to incite trouble on the board. The end.

CONSPIRACY ... bay of pigs, warren commission ,slavery in america, prohibition,u.s government involved in drug smuggling from 1940- today, slaughter of native indians, u.s.d.a. selling favor's to big business,WHY THE HELL IN 2014 ARE WE USING OIL AND GAS. wind power, electric energy , solar power , that we are not using.THE BUSH FAMILY and BIN LADEN'S BUSINESS PARTNERS. LITTLE KNOW FACT the bin laden family was flown out of the country in a secret plane right before the tragedy : FACT

We have a ton of oil and gas here. The question you should be asking why is it that we are buying some of that outside the US.

The renewables are not a thing we can use know because they are too expensive and it does not all work. The technology is not Theresa yet.

I spend a lot of time in Germany. Here is how it works there. The poor like the Turks their still use dirty coal because it is very cheap. Incidently there is clean coal here in the US we are trying to put them out of business. I guess to put those people on welfare.

Most people in Germany use what we use.

Only the very rich in Germany use what you want us to use.

There are posters here from Germany am I right or wrong on this.

On that fact I heard that 10 years ago. It actually might be true that bozo had a million relatives. I think they also tried to get some sheep out of the country he was fucking Them as well because they supposedly feels like a women's pussy.

Even if it was not really an inside job, it's something they allowed to happen.

How on Earth did two 9/11 hijackers passports' survive Flight 11's plane crash on September 11?

Google it. Al Suqami's passport was found by an anonymous person who handed it into the police, the same day despite a 6-month clear up. Also, on the SAME day, Atta's passport was found. We're told that the plane crash instantly vaporized all on board hence none of the hijacker's bodies, the "undestroyable" black box, yet two paper documents survived.

There is just too much evidence now that suggests an inside job: the fact that most of the 'hijackers' are still alive, the fact that no jets were scrambled in time; that no significant plane debris was found at the pentagon site (planes do not vaporize!); that the buildings seem to be demolished, especially building 7; that jet fuel cannot melt steel, even though molten steel was seen; that the first responders heard explosions within the buildings before they collapsed etc...

How did the BBC know in advance that Building Seven would collapse? The fact that it was announced in advance is strong support that the flow of information on this tragedy was being controlled.

Were the people at the BBC the only people privy to this information? Probably not. Larry Silverstein was the leaseholder of Building Seven. In a 2002 PBS documentary he talked about how he discussed the Building Seven situation with the fire department and how the decision was made by that department to "pull" it. Well, there is one problem with his testimony that you may want to consider. It takes about a week to rig a building with explosives before you pull it. So are buildings constructed with built-in explosives just in case they need to be blown up in a hurry? Building Seven went down that same day. Whoops! Watch Larry's testimony from the PBS documentary here in this short clip.

-WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein admitted that building 7 was pulled down by a controlled demolition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk

He changed his story the next day.

-Official version claims the towers collapsed due to 'pancake effect', meaning the floors came detached from steel girders and fell on top of each other, collapsing the tower. If that's the case, why weren't any of the (core column) steel girders left standing?

-Pictures show smoke coming from the basement seconds before the plane hits. People (including firefighters and employees) also heard explosions from below the towers, moments before the plane hit. PEOPLE WERE KILLED AND SOME SERIOUSLY INJURED IN THE BASEMENT.

-Pictures show steel girders with diagonal cuts in the them. This is exactly how controlled demolitions bring down buildings.

-Designers of the WTC say they were built to withstand MULTIPLE impacts from such an aircraft.

-Official version states the plane that hit the pentagon 'vaporised' which is why very little traces can be found. Yet they managed to find DNA to identify all of the victims on board. Furthermore the building didn't 'vaporise' in any way. What type of plane vaporises, leaving the building and human DNA relatively undamaged.

-The passport of one of the hijackers in the aircraft was supposedly found in the rubble at the WTC. It's clearly impossible for any personal effects to survive the impact and explosion, therefore it must have been planted.

-All CCTV from around the pentagon has been removed and never released. Why do that if there is nothing to hide? 86 CCTV cameras no airplane???

"WITH ALL THE EVIDENCE READILY AVAILABLE AT THE PENTAGON CRASH SITE, ANY UNBIASED RATIONAL INVESTIGATOR COULD ONLY CONCLUDE THAT A BOEING 757 DID NOT FLY INTO THE PENTAGON"...Colonel George Nelson Aircraft accident investigator U.S. Air Force

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14825320/Thermite-Discovered-in-Dust-from-the-9-11-WTC

Believe this government conspiracy they have a record of everything we say over the phone. Every thing we e-mail we send, everything we post on face book and everything we search on the Internet.

They don't look at it unless we post or do anything on their watch list. So who or what is on their watch list. The answer is anything they want to put on it. Political foes, anything their little hearts desire. Democrates put republicans on the watch list. Republicans put democrates on the watch list. Right now the democrates control the NSA.

Worry about the presidents power to issue executive orders. Worry about the president to appoint czars. Worry about the executive branch controlling the IRS.

Worry about controlling the fed. Worry about them printing a trillion dollars a year which they are doing. Worry about that is devaluating the dollar.worry about the euro crashing without being propped up the US dollar.

Worry about the government controlling our food supply because that could happen in the future. If that happens you do everything the governments says we have to do or you and your family will starve to death

Of course. It's been like this since 9/11 and the passing of the Patriot Act.

I respect that. When other members create threads and posts with the same intent (to incite trouble), let's be equally vocal in calling them out.

What don't you see me getting angry about? What do you know about me? You know nothing about me.

You brought up a topic, Did we believe that the September 11th attacks were part of a government-sponsored inside job, and I responded to that.

As SC has pointed out, you are obviously posting here to be contentious. Therefore, I will not reply any further, and hopefully this topic will die the death it deserves - from lack of attention.

This.

Well, I will weigh in one more time on this and then hope it sinks to the bottom of the pile and off the boards.

The notion that something is "possible" is not the same as the notion that something is debatable.

There are not two sides to the concept the world is not flat. It isn't.

Likewise, I do not think it is reasonable to believe 9/11 was an "inside job." For those of us on the political right or left, this crazy theory meant that "insiders" in the Clinton and Bush administrations were secretly setting this thing up for almost a decade, and then did it in a way that made it "obvious" that there were "secret detonation hot spots " in the towers, and that a "missile-disguised-as-an-airplane" was used to hit the Pentagon. Come on.... would an "inside job" that complex be mishandled so easily?

Yes, we can argue forever about policy failures going back to arming the mujahadeen and then leaving them there, failing to read the right reports about bin Laden's intentions, the reasoning behind our going to war in Iraq, and these thinga are all worth scrutiny.

What is not worth it is taking a tragedy like 9/11 and exploiting it by saying it is "possible" it was a massive cover-up by "insiders" who have managed to stay quiet about it all these years.

The real danger of this kind of crap floating around is that it distracts us from taking a hard look at what the real issues are.

It is no different than all the nonsense about Obama being born in Kenya (he wasnt), or Hillary having "brain damage" (she doesnt) or even the ongoing nonsense about Benghazi (it was a security lapse and nothing more).

There is plenty to debate on policies, and who should or should not implement them without going into the silliness of sensational distractions designed to trigger imaginations, and to permit hidden agendas to come forward in the name of these "theories."

Bottom line is all the issues we face are very difficult, very challenging, and are not easily answered or solved. If the case were otherwise, someone would step up and solve them.

Lets get back to arguing about things that are real, and stop going on about whether or not what the overwhelming evidence of
history is accurate.

i think the power that be have proved they're capable of anything time and time again

i ain't saying that it was an inside job but i wouldn't put it past them

And look who keeps the fire burning. A guy who despises the very system that he's been milking all his life.

Him and the six generations before him. This would seem impossible but in some communities a generation is every 15 years, ie, the average age when the male gets a random female pregnant.

The only conspiracy is that USA keeps letting assholes enter this great country

lock this thing, it does no one any good

As a matter of fact, if 911 was some kind of inside job, it might indeed have been a decade in the making at a minimum. Recall the World Trade Center attacks of 1993 and the controversy surrounding it. The NY Times has an article about it detailing how an informant named Emad Salem attempted to warn the FBI about an impending bomb plot, but ended up being ignored. That's not conspiracy. That's fact. It's even on tape.

Could it have been a false pretext for war in the Middle East? It could have been. There is plenty of incentive for the West to be concerned about the Middle East, Iran, and the proliferation of WMD. This however doesn't mean that real Muslim extremist hijackers were not at work that day. But there are too many coincidences to be dismissed, including the following:

1) All three buildings had pools of molten metal underneath. This is highly unnatural for building fires. Reference the US government's FEMA report Appendix C to look at pictures of evaporated structural steel. The FEMA report specifically states that the evaporated metal sample was from WTC7 and *either* WTC1 or WTC2. So WTC7 definitely had molten metal and evaporated steel beams, like the FDNY members reported. There is no reason for the three buildings (WTC1 WTC2 and WTC7) to have pools of molten steel underneath, especially WTC7. Building fires are not hot enough to turn steel into lava.

2) Anyone can see tons of molten metal that is almost white hot pouring out of the South Tower from where the plane hit around the 85th floor on YouTube. The problem with that is that aluminum as from a plane would not wait until it is white hot to begin to flow. It becomes liquid while still a dark grey color. Therefore 911 skeptics suspect that the motel metal is elemental iron from the tower itself. Highly abnormal for a fire that burned off all jet fuel within the first 10 minutes.

3) The morning of the attacks, there was a simulated wargame going on that Norad was participating in possibly called Vigilant Guardian Vigilant Warrior. The wargame simulation involved planes hitting the twin towers. It also diverted real jets away from New York City. When the attacks occurred, officials were confused about whether it was real or not. There are audio tapes to prove this.

4) The exact floors where the planes hit both the towers were areas of construction work of some kind some short months before.

5) The company that removed the steel from the crime scene in lower Manhattan before it could truly be analyzed by an unbiased source was a company called Controlled Demolition that specializes in bringing down buildings using explosives.

6) The buildings fell down the wrong way (they vaporized downward like Roman candles) which scientists say is impossible because if the top of the building is turning to dust, it then isn't solid enough to destroy the lower part of the building as it falls down.

7) The fires at ground zero burned far too long. An equivalent of a lake was pumped into ground zero along with chemical fire retardant, and still the temperatures raged underneath the pile like an active volcano for months. Thermite burns under water and is used in controlled demolition. The by-product of thermite combustion of steel is Aluminum Oxide gas. Aluminum Oxide gas is white. White gas leaked out of the pile for weeks. The workers at ground zero came down with many ailments one of which was pulmonary sarcoidosis of the lungs. What is one of the symptoms of inhaling Aluminum Oxide gas? Pulmonary sarcoidosis of the lungs.

8) I can go on, but suffice it to say, the 911 skeptic group have text books of information on why they doubt the official story.

Dumbest thread ever !

This thread does no good on here, too touchy of a situation.

There are alot of people on this board who witnessed the tragedy of 9-11,so yes it is a touchy subject..

No way do I think this was an inside job.

Popular Science magazine went over the 9/11 conspiracy claims point-by-point in a long article followed up by a book. Here's a link to the article: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

Personally, this government has done a lot of things it shouldn't have done, but claiming that Clinton and Bush administration officials murdered over 3000 people in New York and Pennsylvania is over the top, insulting and appalling. Not only that, Osama bin Laden took credit for it.

They had another "9/11 Truther" on the radio show Coast to Coast the other night. It's almost like these people are so bored with what actually happened they have to concoct some over the top conspiracy to fully satisfy themselves. Never mind the fact that, to pull off such a conspiracy where the U.S. government was involved, would be virtually impossible to keep secret. Anyone who believes the the government was behind the attack, for whatever reason, are probably the same kooks who believe we didn't land on the moon.