Yeah, you get second place. Like you would have gotten fourth place at the Belmont if not for me .

I don't know any books that write numbers anymore. A guy who did a few years ago died recently. Some locals who use off shore templates allow you to be bet whether the last number is odd or even. Laying -120

Sucker bet

I would have. Had the 9 for a buck. And the 5 who is still running. Did I tell u that or good guess. I forget

My 5 won the 12th race. He was still running when the next race started

Yeah, but I gotta admit, Stamford died hard with the number. There were a couple stores on West Main Street right up til the late '90s. Then after that big pinch (the Scores extortion case in NY had repercussions all the way up to Fairfield), the little guy packed it in. And no one else was really interested in keeping it going.


Degenerates come in all shapes and sizes

Oh trust me. I know people that bet it

Just was watching some Secratariet races. WOW

Anyone ever go to greyhound races? I like the dog races down in the Ft. Myers/ Naples area.

i'd rather watch a dog fight

Welcome, Yankees1951 .

I'm a Bronx guy, but today we live in Delray Beach for part of the year. And I've been to the Kennel Club many times, but more to play poker nowadays.

I've lost money one too many times on dogs who can't stay upright. At least my horses don't fall down. They don't generally win, but they don't fall down either .

OK thanks for the information.

I have never bet on horse racing, dog racing, NASCAR/car racing, or anything like that. My dad remembers how decades ago out west when he was living in AZ they had greyhound racing; but he never went crazy with it, and would just bet a little when friends of his were going there.

He and other family members of his did not play the numbers game(s) that were around before the PA state lottery; but they remember when they were sold in Philadelphia, and you could buy them at locally owned stores, and barber shops.

dogs, I always play a 5-8 quinella

Helluva system, kid .

Hopefully he's boxing his 5-8 exacta

Just figured out how to respond properly. Thank You Pizzaboy, a Bronx Guy, that's neat. We use to have a time-share in Florida near Del-Ray but went S.W. to the Naples area where there are mostly people our age. Yeah that's a nice place to relax if you go there with the mindset that the money in your pocket is already gone. At least for the dog's, Poker if I have the patience to sit there

its a quinella...slightly different than an exacta but i get what youre saying. 5-8 would have to be boxed obviously.

im not handicapping friggin dog races on a wednesday night

you know me...real bright

You're a smart kid, Cheech. Stop knocking yourself. But gambling is just like sex. All intelligence goes right out the window just before the act .

thought I was smart to ask the old lady at the track. picked #2 super trifecta box $24 or wat ever the fuck it is lose. never again goin with the favorite. one time I won it was the guy in the back of the ny post old guy he called it think that was when big brown was breaking hearts. wont forget whatever big race acouple years ago when the horse broke his leg and they killed him rite on the spot. peta was pissed but the rich people that run America told them shut the fuck up we like to gamble.

From a 2005 article on mob ties and horse racing

http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2005/3/20050120-archive158.html

Thank You Jose!!!

Opening day at Saratoga. And everything is all right with the world .

Back to Belmont today .

As most of you know, my Dad's recuperating here from his hernia operation (sorry for being repetitive, I guess it helps me to deal with it by "talking" about it here). So I set him up with a NYRA Rewards account online, being that he's not really up to heading out to The Island yet.

Anyway, you'd have to be a horse player to understand this, but some of these top trainers are getting ridiculous now. A few of them have two and three mounts for different owners in the same race. It drives me crazy enough when it's a big race, like the Derby or the Preakness. But is it really necessary for Todd Pletcher to have three horses in the same race---by three different owners---on a Friday afternoon in September?

I mean, he's a GREAT trainer. But if you're an owner, how much confidence can you have in your trainer if he has two horses running against you?

This shit was unheard of ten or fifteen years ago. It won't stop me from making a bet, though .

Good Luck with your father and I hear you on the trainers, obviously there is more into the odds than the trainers but basically the trainer is giving similar routines to the same horses in the same race. I think it is ridiculous and even gives that trainer an unfair advantage to the betting public when he goes and lays his money down at the window. Follow him to the window and snoop on his bets

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/09/sports...ness-races.html

my good friends uncle is frank in this article

And California Chrome just got beat at the Breeders Cup .

I always talk to the trainers, you don't win all the time but, you win most of the time. Now a days trainers have more than one horse in the race. I know one owner got fed up with that, fired the trainer and placed a different trainer who was only put over that horse. Big improvement to say the least. Horse finally got in the top three in a few races instead of nearly dead last.

todd pletcher? todd pletcher? is he the guy who had that filly " rags to riches" I think I had a horse named curlin, it was in the Belmont I believe. in my remembering

there was something fishy there, because the official photo
was never put up. it was burned up during processing. so much for todd pletcher and co.

I remember that. I don't care for Pletcher (although I love Johnny Velasquez, his top jockey). But my dislike of him aside, Pletcher's a pretty straight shooter. As straight as you can be in that business, anyway.

How everybody with the Breeder's Cup today? Any nice hits? I didn't bet but I watched a couple races.