most of us dont know what your talking about? have you checked the other topics?

No Vinnie, it is not yours, it's mine.

[quote=Mukremin]Fat Dom Alongi was the consiglieri before Manna. [/quote
And before him? Maybe the charts aren't as accurate as they seem. Remember Genovese were a tricky bunch. Who you thought was wasn't and vice versa.

well thats not our job, we can only assume and act with official reports and indicments. we will never be sure unless they get indicted or one of them turns a rat. we never claim these things to be accurate.

The assumptions that are made are incorrect . Even a few dead made men are not on the charts. But I guess this is all for fun.

i dont see your point, what assumptions and what dead members? i dont post dead members on my chart, i delete them from the chart.

Where do you get your information from? I know that there are charts put out by the FBI, is this what you are using or are you researching every family in la cosa nostra? Which would take a very long time. I just stated what you did in the beginning about we can only assume, I said assumptions can be wrong, I know this for a fact. I do however appreciate all the work you have put into keeping people updated to the Mafia, but do you really think that these charts are completely accurate, and shouldn't deceased members be on the charts, if they were important lets say under bosses etc. If in fact all the charts are correct the whole LCN would be disabled, or at least under indictment.

I said that the information comes from indicments and reports, there are tons of articles to be found on various forums.

I have been doing this since 2010 with the help of many people, its not that i do it all by myself. I am not a professional crime reporter or so, i just designed my own concept for a chart. I try to gather the information the best i can, and i craft it into these files. Its my decision not to include deceased members, because it would be a impossible job to keep track of it.

I and other people never claim these things to be 100% accurate, we try to be correct but thats a different thing.

I dont want to bragg about the stuff i do, but my Philadelphia chart from 2011 was described as very accurate by George Anastasia himself. And that the feds probably had some chart like that too.

Anyway, i dont want to get into any discussion. Feel free to PM if needed.

Will do thanks

George A really said your philly chart was very accurate? Thats bad ass.. Every chart I have seen from you has been great in my opinion and I appreciate you taking the time to make the charts and keep us all updated!

yeah i had some e-mail exchange with him last year. thanks for the support stevie.

Great charts Mukremin.

I did a search for the Los Angeles family here on the site but found no chart.

I know that Peter Milano has died and that his underboss at the time was Tommaso Gambino.

Does anyone have enough knowledge of them to make a chart?

nothing left to really make a chart of, Peter Milano died as you said and it was really internet rumors that had gambino as underboss. theres less then 10 made guys still living and half of them don't even live in the state.

This is a visual chart that I made based on the chart made a couple of years ago by the Don and Horsey on Fosco's site, so credit to them for the names and info.

all the charts of the outfit always miss the calabreses

Looking at this picture of Angelo LaPietra I can see why they used to call him "the hook"

He just looks like another asshole to me

Did anyone ever here of Danny Miano?

was danny marino from brooklyn?

Would like to see a new Philly chart soon. Since Uncle Joe gettin out and supposedly retiring. Still think Mazzone is acting boss.. Could be the next official boss..

mukremin has not done any chicago chart?

Even considering its inaccuracies, not much has changed from Burnstein's chart from a couple years ago and is probably about as accurate as anyone on the web can come up with us - there will always be disputes about Chicago. Just take out a couple of old/dead guys and bump up a couple of other guys.

I agree with HandsomeStevie. You should totally post a Philadelphia chart.

snakes that chart is totally outdated, half of those guys are already dead

accurate for the 80's, lol!

This is fucking awesome, thanks for taking the time. It makes it so much more interesting to be able to place name and faces, along with time frames and positions. Thanks again.

Thanks.

I'm working on improved versions of this one as well as two others that should be some of the most comprehensive charts created for the Outfit so far.

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Who is acting/street/boss boss, Consigliere and Underboss in the 5 families?