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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
[Re: vitovito]
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06/09/14 03:21 PM
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Every time I go to NYC there is a place in the neighborhood called Bicycle Habitat and say hi to the owner. He is a really nice guy who rides his bike from Brooklyn to work every day. The whole neighborhood is very tourist friendly now.
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
[Re: HuronSocialAthletic]
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06/09/14 03:22 PM
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Honestly fucking pathetic & disgraceful what is happening to This country, especially in big cultural metropolises like NY, Chi, Boston, SF. Shameful. The Hill in St Louis is still largely Italian, although few new immigrants. The Hill is the home of Yogi Berra and Joe Garagiola. I understand that even today when a home in the neighborhood goes up for sale, they just don't sell it you unless you last name ends in a vowel. It was rumored that for years, the St Ambrose parish priests interviewed prospective buyers and would not approve of anyone unless they were Italian. I usually go for a dinner on The Hill when I go back to visit family. The neighborhood has not changed - perfectly manicured lawns, houses are very well kept, the fire hydrants are painted like Italian flags, the same restaurants and stores remain..... I like neighborhoods that retain their heritage. On the other hand, the Irish neighborhood in St Louis, Kerry Patch, is probably one of the worst ghetto's in the city. I drove by the house my grandfather lived in as a kid a few years ago and it looked like a crack house. In 20 years it will probably be re-vitalized and gentrified.
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
[Re: vitovito]
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06/09/14 03:29 PM
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Little Italy and 18 ave in Brooklyn went from Italian to 75 percent or more Chinese. The feast I never liked it because it was always too crowded for my taste. If you go to that feast put a rubber band around your wallet. So you can tell if someone try's to lift it from your pocket. A lot of pick pockets during the feast. The area is still safe East Harlem where I was born was all Italian. Them it became Hispanic when they build the projects. Now it has become yuppie land  some Spanish guy was complaint that the Hispanics are being pushed out. I told him now you know I felt when the Italians were pushed out. Want to live near Rao's small studio is 2000 a month. I think next time I go to east Harlem I am going to go during the day. I am going to go to St.Anns grammar school. Break in go to the second floor where my kinder garden class was. There was a porch where if you were good you could go out for recess toys were there to play with. I went the whole year and I never got out on that porch I always did something bad so I never got out there. I have been complaining about that for 69 years. I tell that story to my kids and to my grand kids. I think part of the reason they never let me out there was because the teacher was a fraud I would throw a class mate off that balcony. The other thing I would do is go over the walking bridge to wards island. We flew kites from that bridge. Wards island was like the country. You go there they had trees and not tenements. But what they did have was a nut house  it was fenced off there was a place where they held the insane there. I felt bad for them because if it was not for luck I would have been housed in that place. Just before I left Harlem some friends of mine and I went to wards island with wire cutters and made a hole in the fence so they could get out. See we had a sense of humor
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
[Re: Mark]
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06/09/14 03:49 PM
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I saw a recent episode of Extra Virgin on Cooking Channel and Debi Mazar took her Tuscany husband to Arthur Avenue in The Bronx. I would love to go there! Lots of great places to mangia! Debi was treated like every other person... no star treatment and no frills. She was home. I CAN'T STAND Debi Mazar. She's homely, loud and obnoxious. And she's from Queens. Plus, she's married to a Northern Italian. They may as well be fucking French  . Hit your Google map, Mark. I grew up on the corner of Hoffman Street and East 187th Street. And today we own a building right off the corner, on Hoffman Street. The neighborhood is like 75 percent mixed Latino now. Even the Albanians are moving to the suburbs. But the stores and restaurants are still Italian, and hopefully always will be. You ever come here, you call me. Forget all that shit on the Food Channel and Youtube. I'll show you where to eat  .
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
[Re: Mark]
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06/09/14 04:03 PM
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Lol, never thought she was attractive either, PB. What's with that lisp?! I will definitely be calling you if I ever get up there! Thanks! PB next time y'all get a hurricane up that way you better show me the good joints! (that will probably never happen again in our lifetime though) That'd be a threesome. A local Wop, a Midwestern Wop, and a Hillbilly Wop. We'll get arrested for sure.
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
[Re: TonyG]
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06/09/14 04:08 PM
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I went to San Gennaro festival in NYC when I was there on business in 2011. Here is a picture on Mulberry. Nice, Tony  . Now multiply that times ten blocks to the north. And five blocks each, east and west. And you'll have an idea what that feast looked like thirty years ago  .
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
[Re: NickyEyes1]
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06/09/14 04:16 PM
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Yeah TonyG the hill is fantastic. I hate everything about St. Louis except The Hill  . So many great restaurants and bakeries and has probably looked the same as it did 50 years ago. You'd never think out of all the cities, St. Louis would have the best Little Italy! A bunch of fucking farmers who got lost on their way from Ellis Island to the Lower East Side. Just kidding!! I can't even type it with a straight face  .
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
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06/09/14 06:36 PM
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Little Italy and 18 ave in Brooklyn went from Italian to 75 percent or more Chinese. The feast I never liked it because it was always too crowded for my taste. If you go to that feast put a rubber band around your wallet. So you can tell if someone try's to lift it from your pocket. A lot of pick pockets during the feast. The area is still safe East Harlem where I was born was all Italian. Them it became Hispanic when they build the projects. Now it has become yuppie land  some Spanish guy was complaint that the Hispanics are being pushed out. I told him now you know I felt when the Italians were pushed out. Want to live near Rao's small studio is 2000 a month. I think next time I go to east Harlem I am going to go during the day. I am going to go to St.Anns grammar school. Break in go to the second floor where my kinder garden class was. There was a porch where if you were good you could go out for recess toys were there to play with. I went the whole year and I never got out on that porch I always did something bad so I never got out there. I have been complaining about that for 69 years. I tell that story to my kids and to my grand kids. I think part of the reason they never let me out there was because the teacher was a fraud I would throw a class mate off that balcony. The other thing I would do is go over the walking bridge to wards island. We flew kites from that bridge. Wards island was like the country. You go there they had trees and not tenements. But what they did have was a nut house  it was fenced off there was a place where they held the insane there. I felt bad for them because if it was not for luck I would have been housed in that place. Just before I left Harlem some friends of mine and I went to wards island with wire cutters and made a hole in the fence so they could get out. See we had a sense of humor I enjoy reading posts like this. I wish someone would write a book about italian harlem. Not necessarily the mob stuff, but about the characters in the neighborhood.
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
[Re: Benedetto]
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06/10/14 09:48 PM
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We in SF have our own area of the city called North Beach. Lots of history in this Italian neighborhood. Joe DiMaggio grew up here. My grandfather played ball with him as kids. DiMaggio married Marilyn Monroe at Saints Peter and Paul church.
Believe it or not we had our fare share of wise guys out here. Joe "The Animal" Barboza was shot down on the San Francisco streets in 1976. Jimmy "The Weasel" Fratianno spent time here.
These days, like most old Italian neighborhoods, restaurants cater to the tourists and the folks who live in the area are well to do or young hipsters. My Nonno learned to speak English in Washington square park, my grandparents wedding cake was made at Victoria Pastry 63 years ago. History. Benedetto, I missed your post earlier. Yeah North Beach has got a tourist thing going on, has for years as you know. There's still Molinari's and even though they classed up the place the Duggans have done a good job with the re-opened Joes. I loved the one in the TL - it was either there or Johns Grill before shows at the Warfield - hell, Joes was open late so sometimes we'd go AFTER a show. Now they're gonna redo Westlake Joes - I hope they keep the Steak ala Bruno and the Cascade Room. I'm debating on the fair - it would be fun on a nice day but do I really wanna deal with techies and lines to places I can just walk into on Tuesday?
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
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06/10/14 10:11 PM
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There's no money in documentaries like that. They're strictly a labor of love. Nice voice over, though. And they're spot-on about the Second Avenue projects. That was the beginning of the end. Also, there are more Italians in that video that what's left in the neighborhood. The newer video is strictly footage of the feast. Still nice to see, though. Especially the Church. My parents were married at Mount Carmel in 1958. I popped out a year later  . And they breezed by my grandparents old building. Number 325. There's a men's store under the fire escape now---lol.
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
[Re: vitovito]
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06/11/14 06:32 AM
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dyker heights has a proper amount of italians still but in order to get to experience a majority of them (not just few pockets) you got to move out of the city to the nearby counties and staten island but that's a given @ PB tuscans aren't considered northerns, more like central italians by those who still care for these sort of things obviously…since the 50s, with the mass immigration south > north, it's as easy to run into someone with a southern last name up there as in the mezzogiorno. and be careful with the french/northern italian jokes  always, but especially around italians during the world cup! @ TonyG interesting that you typed few new immigrants…you meant italians? New ones? you don't say...
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
[Re: LuanKuci]
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06/11/14 06:47 AM
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@ PB tuscans aren't considered northerns, more like central italians by those who still care for these sort of things obviously…since the 50s, with the mass immigration south > north, it's as easy to run into someone with a southern last name up there as in the mezzogiorno. and be careful with the french/northern italian jokes  always, but especially around italians during the world cup! It was a joke, LK. That's all. My main point was that Debi Mazar is a loud mouthed twat. And she ain't Italian, northern or otherwise. Just a white trash pig from Jamaica, Queens who married up. And just for the record, Tuscany is still north or Rome. And it just rubs me fucking raw when Americans go on and on about Milan and other tourist traps to the north, like the south is an afterthought. That's what bugged me about Maria Laurino's book ("Were You Always an Italian?"). It was well written, but when she finally made it to Italy it was to the north, not where her family is from in the south. Not to mention the fact that she's obviously filled with self-hate because she's dark skinned. The part about being ashamed while visiting Brooklyn made me sick (especially considering that she's not from the area). And in typical self-hating Yuppie fashion, she married a man who wasn't of Italian descent. I have an aunt like that, and I hate her guts  .
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
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06/11/14 06:51 AM
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I CAN'T STAND Debi Mazar. She's homely, loud and obnoxious. And she's from Queens. Plus, she's married to a Northern Italian. They may as well be fucking French  . Just for the record, Carm. I don't like Mazar, but I love Queens chicks in general (especially those from Ridgewood  ).
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
[Re: pizzaboy]
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06/11/14 07:56 AM
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That's what bugged me about Maria Laurino's book ("Were You Always an Italian?"). It was well written, but when she finally made it to Italy it was to the north, not where her family is from in the south. Not to mention the fact that she's obviously filled with self-hate because she's dark skinned. The part about being ashamed while visiting Brooklyn made me sick (especially considering that she's not from the area). And in typical self-hating Yuppie fashion, she married a man who wasn't of Italian descent. I have an aunt like that, and I hate her guts  . [/quote] Sounds like my sister...been ashamed to be an Italian her whole life...disgusting.
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Re: Little italy pre 90s.....
[Re: NickyEyes1]
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06/11/14 08:18 AM
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So when did Little Italy start going downhill? It seems like it happened really fast because around the early 90s it still looked the same but it obviously changed by 2000. Did it really happen that fast? Well, I wouldn't call it downhill, Nicky. If you can pay $2500 a month for a studio, you're probably doing okay. But I get what you're saying  . And yes, while it wasn't overnight, the downtown Little Italy (Mulberry Street) changed at a MUCH faster rate than the outer borough Italian neighborhoods. But then again, the outer borough neighborhoods don't have too many real estate agents making a million dollars a year. And that ain't a coincidence  .
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