Well...you could be right. No way to tell. In no particular order: Capone, Nitti, Luciano, Lansky, Giancana, Segal, Moran, Accardo and because they are contemporaries Gotti and Gravano.

But who the hell knows and I could be forgetting some obvious mentions. Just a wild guess.

I'm from NY so I hate saying this but Chicago is much stronger right now and closer to the traditional structure. Chicago got Kennedy elected in the 1960's and Obama in 2008. NY has trouble taking care of the local politicians. Besides, the first time one of the outfit's members turned states evidence was just a few years back. They've hat rats in NY ranks for decades.

There's little doubt that the two biggest New York families, the Genoveses and Gambinos, were bigger and stronger than the Outfit. But to say that the smaller New York families were always bigger and stronger than the Outfit is highly questionable. It think the Outfit from the 1950s to 1980s was comparable to the Bonanno, Lucchese and Colombo families in numbers, and I'd even say that they were relatively stronger, considering that the Outfit controlled an entire city and much of the Western United States.

Another thing to consider, is that the Outfit had the five separate crews. Each crew was basically an independant unit with it's own boss- i.e Five Families. The strongest crew boss was the overall boss. Supposedly, Taylor St. under Giancana was a powerhouse in their day. VERY powerful. How to compare to NYC, I don't know.

I can look up the size of the Capone mob and revenue estimates later. I forget offhand, but they are out there.

I suppose if you could get a reliable figure for size and estimated revenue of the Outfit under Capone and, later, under Accardo/Giancana, and compare it to the size/revenue of the most powerful NY family at its peak or peaks, you would have an answer in one sense.

And you will never be able to take away one point of pride: It was US who the CIA decided to bungle the Castro assassination and Bay of Pigs with!

So take that!

sounds like an excuse as to why chicago ran vegas and new york didn't

You can keep playing the dick-measuring games all you want. Some of us don't have an agenda to root for a certain family like it's our favorite sports team but actually go with facts.

chicago ran vegas in the 70s-mid80s.....FACT

Agreed. But it's not because they forced the NY families out or kept them out. And when we're talking about "running Vegas" in the 1970's and early 1980's, it was the Argent casinos, as well as the Tropicana. And that involved the a few Midwest families involved in the skim - Chicago, Milwaukee, Kansas City, and Cleveland.

Lol! NY was the most powerfulest! Fuck chicago!

spoken like a true citizen of the garden state

chicago was the bully of the midwest and the west, the five familes were the bullies of the northeast. sure the five combined families of new york were more powerful than the syndicate. but you're misinformed if you think chicago wasn't as powerful as one of the larger new york families on an individual level

Im kiddin you ya moron. I dont give a rats ass about this shit... You come off as the biggest tool. "My familys better than ur family"! Ivys right, ur rooting for these guys like its bears/giants in the NFC championship.... Ur pride is hurt if someone says otherwise LOL. And i aint from jersey ya toothless bum.

Not fair, Skinny. I'm told that he has a tooth.

Singled toothed bum then.

But in reality, in terms of money and territory the 5 families weren't doing it like the CHICAGO OUTFIT!!! TRUTH

I don't get it. Your saying numbers of guys make mob LOL!!! Chicago ran midwest Parts of florida Las Vegas where was New York, HAD MOBS IN OTHER STATES WORKING FOR THEM. CHICAGO KNEW HOW TO STAY LOW FROM HEAT until recently. New York no loyalty people always snitching to avoid life sentences!!!

And New Yorkers are biased!

Almost tired of this, isn't Chicago called the second city?

All due respect to Tony Accardo

LOL FUCK YOU PERSONALLY. TELL ME HOW ALL OF Y'ALL SNITCHES WHEN Y'ALL RUN Y'ALL COURTS??? WHEN Y'ALL MAKE 100000000'S A YEAR?? HOW DID THE OUTFIT STAY OUT OF PRISON UNLIKE NY. IT SAY U FROM JERSEY SO YOU JUST DICK-RIDE NEW YORK HUH????

Capone hands down was making more. Outfit today are still eating off money from late 20's 30's

New York has always had a thousand times the personnel, also all the cases tells you ALOT more going on.

Please stop the Vulgar language, I'm a Morman Mister!

ny has always had huge operations going on in nj, mass, conn, and florida, with some small time things going on in arizona and california that have died out. when did the outfit ever have anything big going on in florida? in my short time on these forums, i've come to realize that the chicago fanboyism is a very serious disease, and there is sadly no cure for most!

They did in the 20s with Capone but I think that's it

Bigger and stronger how Ivy???? That's how heat is cause you don't need 70 made man running around that 70 mouths ready to tell. Who was making more money Ivy i know do you???? WHERE WAS NEW YORK WHEN LasVegas was making the Outfit profits out the roof Where was new york when we had LA. The OUTFIT TRIED TO CONTROL JFK FOR CRYING OUT LOUD HIM NOT AGREEING WITH TERMS IS WHAT, WELL LOOK AT HIM NOW. marilyn monroe, frank Sinatra fuck with the OUTFIT

Come on man facts are facts Agreed SiclianJohn. I live HERE I DON'T SEE OBAMA ENFORCING NO TYPE OF PLAN IN STOPPING THE CRIME OUT HERE IN CHIRAQ nickname for Chicago. WE TAKE CARE OF POLITICIANS LIKE HE SAID MANN!!!

Chicago got a lot of good press, they shared those spoils with NY! Tell me the story when Jackie Cerone had to ask permission of the Geneovese Family to sell! They had to ask ask Fat Tony NATRAUALLY! If Chicago really ran the teamsters why was Fat Tony convicted of picking Fitzsimmons to run it?

All i can say is watch documentary's or something get some knowledge in your head be for you make a bonehead comment.

Have you thought about changing your screen name to 'Madman'?

All I can say is go read indictments or some factual documents. Not a fantasy skewed documentary! Should I watch Analyze This after those documentaries?

for all of you chicago posters who come on here guns blazing from the start, take a step back and notice how a poster like Mark conducts himself, with class. i almost feel bad for him in a way seeing all of you lunatics running wild here spouting your nonsense, and giving a city with such a rich history a bad name. try sticking with the facts, and avoiding the silly personal insults as they really do your credability no favors. if you have some info on a specific person or racket, than please share it, but cease with the broad "chicago is the strongest" statements without anything to back up your claims besides your OPINION!