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Re: Derek Jeter vs Pete rose
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He's up there as the greatest post-Mantle Yankee, in achievement and class, if not in talent. But again, there have been A LOT of all-time great Yankees. Jeter might crack the top ten, or maybe not. It's all pretty subjective. No doubt, it's funny we all say "Jeter had so much class" which he did, then somehow we use Mantle as a benchmark. Mantle was a Pig! Lol. And poor Yogi is rarely mentioned ever, turned himself into a clown and his numbers get over looked!
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Re: Derek Jeter vs Pete rose
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He's up there as the greatest post-Mantle Yankee, in achievement and class, if not in talent. But again, there have been A LOT of all-time great Yankees. Jeter might crack the top ten, or maybe not. It's all pretty subjective. No doubt, it's funny we all say "Jeter had so much class" which he did, then somehow we use Mantle as a benchmark. Mantle was a Pig! Lol. And poor Yogi is rarely mentioned ever, turned himself into a clown and his numbers get over looked! No, no. Read my post. That's why I said "in achievment and class, if not talent, " as it applies to Jeter. Mantle was a drunken bum. A lovable drunken bum. But nevertheless a drunken bum.
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Re: Derek Jeter vs Pete rose
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He's up there as the greatest post-Mantle Yankee, in achievement and class, if not in talent. But again, there have been A LOT of all-time great Yankees. Jeter might crack the top ten, or maybe not. It's all pretty subjective. No doubt, it's funny we all say "Jeter had so much class" which he did, then somehow we use Mantle as a benchmark. Mantle was a Pig! Lol. And poor Yogi is rarely mentioned ever, turned himself into a clown and his numbers get over looked! No, no. Read my post. That's why I said "in achievment and class, if not talent, " as it applies to Jeter. Mantle was a drunken bum. A lovable drunken bum. But nevertheless a drunken bum. Got it! Always wanted to say that out loud about Mantle and jumped to quick!
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Re: Derek Jeter vs Pete rose
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Apples and oranges.
Rose was a fierce competitor. So's Jeter, and I've always liked the way that he carries himself. He's a great Yankee, and a great competitor, and when the Hall comes calling on the first ballot, it will be well deserved.
But when it comes to all-time, all-around shortstops, he's not even in the top five, maybe even top ten. Ahhhh this is where we differ. You see I think he would have to be in the top 10 and most likely in the top 5. Barry Larkin among other great SSs have said the same. I would put arod and honus ahead of him but off the top of my head I can't think of anyone else to put ahead of him tbh. Ripken is great but I wouldn't say he was as prolific a hitter as jeter. More power definitely, but overall I'd pick jeter barely. But I'd take either on my team any day. Both class acts and mean the world to the game.
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Re: Derek Jeter vs Pete rose
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That's just the way the lifestyle of ball players was back then. They used to go out drink and have a good time. My top 5 Yankees would be 1. Ruth 2a. Mantle 2b. Gehrig 4. DiMaggio 5. Jeter or Berra. On most franchise best players lists jeter and Berra would probably be in the top 3 but for the Yankees they're fighting to be in the top 5. Just a testament to how many great Yankees players there has been. And where's Whitey Ford? I'm sorry, but he's in front of Jeter for a multitude of reasons. He was the greatest left handed Yankee pitcher of all time (maybe overall), and to top it off he's from Astoria.
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Re: Derek Jeter vs Pete rose
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That's just the way the lifestyle of ball players was back then. They used to go out drink and have a good time. My top 5 Yankees would be 1. Ruth 2a. Mantle 2b. Gehrig 4. DiMaggio 5. Jeter or Berra. On most franchise best players lists jeter and Berra would probably be in the top 3 but for the Yankees they're fighting to be in the top 5. Just a testament to how many great Yankees players there has been. And where's Whitey Ford? I'm sorry, but he's in front of Jeter for a multitude of reasons. He was the greatest left handed Yankee pitcher of all time (maybe overall), and to top it off he's from Astoria. Forgot about whitey. Yeah he would be up there. 5 would be between those 3. Idk who I would give the edge to maybe Yogi but I'm really not sure. Tough decision. Munson probably would've been in the top 5 if he didn't pass so early.
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Re: Derek Jeter vs Pete rose
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I'm 30 years old, so I have basically grown up with Derek jeter, my memory of Yankee baseball before him is limited. So it feels like the last connection to my childhood is retiring this year. I will always be a yankee fan, but it will never be the same after this season. I'm happy I was able to take my son to a game this year so when he's older he can tell people I saw DJ play.
As far as where he ranks in Yankee history... he can never crack the top 5 with Ruth Gehrig, Mantle, Dimaggio and Berra (people forget how good he was because of his larger than life personality). Jeter and Mo come next.
But Jeter certainly is this generations Dimaggio , and we should all be thankful to have watched him play.
As far as the comparison to Rose...I would imagine they compare favorably, however Jeter played only one position for one team...something to be said for that in my opinion.
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Re: Derek Jeter vs Pete rose
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Tommy Helms was a pretty good player, but Rose wasn't moved from second base to the outfield because the Reds just had to get Tommy Helms in the lineup. I think there's better evidence that Jeter was a pretty good shortstop when he was young than that Rose was a good second baseman. Rose claws some points back for moving around among all the positions he could play, but there's always a premium for guys who can hold a position up the middle and also really hit.
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