Is it a town full of individuals or do they kick up.....

With Johnny Football in town and Lebron back there, I would think there's gonna be more action in the future.

Not in awhile from what I hear, but who knows.

Cleveland still has remnants leftover from their family but no formal hierarchy or structure. Everybody there is independent, but it wouldn't shock me if some young 20's or 30 year old kicks some action to Joe Iacobacci or RJ Papalardo...Joe Loose is often on Murray Hill in Cleveland's Little Italy.

I saw RJ at the Hooley Fest in West Park back in May, bought him a beer...which he walked down the sidewalk with, not giving a flying fuck about an open container volation lol.

RJ has done well in real estate and I don't believe he's been involved in gambling for at least a decade

Keep it coming, brother. I love keeping the Cleveland discussion alive lol.

What are you hearing from the Sabatini brothers? I heard that oldest one died. They were Pittsburgh based but took over operations in Ravenna and Peninsula after the Pittsburgh takeover.

Is RJ looking old? Any discussion about OC?

I didn't know there was a Little Italy left in Cleveland. I was there a few times back in 2006-2007 and didn't see anyone but college students and a bunch of black people.

Mayfield Little Italy still has great restaurants and quite a few former associates, bookmakers and Joe Iacobacci still frequents Nido Italia. Mama Santo's pizza there is legendary.

I have family and friends in and around Ravenna, I asked around but nobody I talked to even knew who the Sabatini brothers are.

Yea RJ's gettin up there I guess. Basically small talk, he's a pretty quiet, soft-spoken guy based on our two conversations.

Little Italy is cool, the Feast is awesome and is coming up in the middle of the month...the hottest women come from all over (I never miss lol). It is out east though, there's ghetto areas outside & around there no question.

Definitely great food. Matt Nido is a good friend of mine, I've always wanted to ask him what kind of stories he has, but never get around to it.

The Assumption Feast is incredible. Mayfield's Little Italy is still quite a good time, it's just a bitch to get to off the highway. I still elect Geraci's Pizza in University Heights as best pizza in Cleveland, but Mama Santo's is up there. The old days of Licavoli, Lonardo and company walking around there are gone but certainly not forgotten. The days of Tony Milano and John DeMarco were even better.

Must have been crazy.

Yea parking is nothing short of a bitch for that event, and no highways near by lol.

Did Sonny Geraci (lead singer from the Outsiders) have anything to do with Geraci's pizza? I know he's orginally from the Cleveland area & I worked a huge benefit they threw for him in November in Streetsboro...which RJP was at a table up front.

is Eugene Ciasullo ever in the area?

Eugene has been in Western PA for years, but does come back to Cleveland a few times per year, the Feast of Assumption being one of those events.

From my understanding, Sonny Geraci is related to the same family who has the restaurant near JCU.

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I havent been on for awhile but im back & ready .some of you posting bout cleveland & the hill seem outdated & talk of what you hear . Who the hell is matt nido ? There are alot of associates still around & the 10 made men. They keep a low profile & make $$$$$ . They go thru various legit businesses & have become smart in their activity .they may not be seen too much - but sure as shit their presence is felt & known .sabatini & his guys ,w/ pittsburgh connections go thru yngstwn.there will soon be some shit . Im sure you are referring to manny xenakis & his cohorts(not made men) but assoc .these guys are from the prato yngstwn- pitts connection . The others are yngstwn- cleve connection from the older days ,ie carabbia & co . Look forward to some real talk& info - not hersay or 3rd party stuff .Keep cleve thread goin & lets get some good shit to talk bout !!!

Good to hear from you! Always a pleasure to have input from someone with "Boots on the Ground" knowledge.

10 made guys in Cleveland? I know of only 2 for sure, as there has never been confirmation of any guys being made when Joe Loose was "a self proclaimed" boss. Could you name the other 8 outside of RJ Papalardo and Joe Iacobacci? Please don't tell me that Lucarelli, DeNova are made.

Glad you're back, it's been awhile. JCB is gone, so I figure I'd never hear anymore stories other than the ones everyone knows & repeats lol.

I think JCB posts on Black Hand under the same moniker.

Thanks. Yea he knows his shit from around the OH/PA area.

Jcb knows his stuff & yes hes on blkhnd . As for the ten - theres a list & its accurate / dont forget about carrabia either .Loose was named not self proclaimed . That is fact . The tussle is old cleve lcn although close with ny are actually more connected w/ chicago . The other portion of yngstwn is w/ pitts . Carmine agnello also is a pain in the ass . Ny hates him & never can he go back . His pull is via buffalo & that you can bank on .im telling you this - the associates also have truly helped cleve lcn in a veryy big way . Probably if not for their involvment cleve might have been done .Cleve operations are a model of new times & ways . Things no longer are done the old way .But do believe if needed , things be handled just a bit different . Look forward to more input & conversation on cleve. Im not here to stir shit up or post garbage. These are fact & u wont find them on google ! Friend of henry good to see you ! Also this man is solid & very knowledgeable.

I am not convinced that Cleveland has 10 made guys or that Loose was "named boss." There is absolutely no documentation in any federal affadavits or court records and I don't believe that "Cleveland is smarter" than other families. I know Ron Carabbia personally and I know he is in Florida and enjoying his 80's and time with his grandchildren. Other than RC, there is NOBODY in Youngstown connected to Cleveland any longer. In Youngstown, there are absolutely no associates who are connected to Pittsburgh as Pittsburgh has been defunct since 2008. While I do believe that Cleveland and Pittsburgh has some gambling going on, I do not believe in any way, shape or form that there is a structured hierarchy.

I do believe that Cleveland associates helped out quite a bit, but I don't believe that there are 10 members. Could you provide the list and the source where you heard they are made?

What about Youngstown and all the cities or towns around it? I'm sure there's still stuff going on there with associates/former associates who get into illegal gambling, betting, or bookmaking as it's been around there for a very long time.

Can you please post the lists here?

There is definitely some illegal gambling going on with former associates, but not affiliated with Cleveland or Pittsburgh any longer. After the Strollo enterprise came down in 1999 with 72 convictions and after the death of Mike Genovese in Pittsburgh back in 2006, nothing more than some independent associates making book for themselves. Not nearly to the extent of what it was. Friend of a Henry could verify that as well.

Loose becoming boss was a decision made , w/ input & Approval from affiliated families . This was to be until cleve would choose their man . Everyone has opinions ,so you have yours. It is odd to me that there are still about 10 to 15 names not mentioned on here by any of you . This also does NOT mean they are made - but just not mentioned . They are very significant as to cleve lcn . Again , they are not made except for a few of them . A good Friend once told me this" if someone does not know , Don't be the one to tell them ." Also there are somethings I can not say- in order to not give myself up . I did not say cleve is smarter , but they have learned & practice the principals of low key & under the radar . Their $$$$$ is well invested & thru some legit & very lucrative businesses.All are aware & very cautious as to all the rats around here from lonardo to -------- up to now .They have many affiliates in florida ,vegas , calif,ny & Chicago .buffalo & pitts R questionable as to certain members .As im sure you know very well " if " you know anything , Loose screwed up alot of relationships - as to his fuck you approach . That Is why RJP is calling the shots .there was alot of mending to do over the years . I look forward to feedback & info on this . Hoping others w/ true knowledge can add in or shed light & even some unmentioned topics .